Yeah, bumpy noses are just as common as the bumpy foreheads.
So name a Star Trek moment that you just didn't "get".
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A few people discussing his exploits, and some space scenery.
With respect that not what "progress" means. While yes it does mean to move, that movement isn't necessarily forward or an improvement. Example, arguably the Federation and the Empire were progressing toward war.
"Let us redefine progress to mean that just because we can do a thing it does not necessarily follow that we must do that thing"
Just because they could go to war (and the Federation was ready for one), doesn't mean that they must go to war. They can redirect their past progress and move in a new direction.
I think there was a veiled threat ("just because we can do a thing"), but given the Klingon culture and the presence of the Romulans this might have been a indication that the president understood his audience.
I never interpreted that line this way. I believed that the "thing" that the president was referring to was the federation's willingness to aid and support the Klingon Empire after the disaster. The progress he referred to was saying that even though the Federation didn't necessarily need to assist Klingons (must), that they could and would.
To me that speaks far more to the type of progress that I believed the film to be talking about, since the primary theme of the film was overcoming prejudice.
Yes, from "Melora." IIRC, the person in question was planning to kill Quark because the Ferengi ratted him out and forced him to spend several years in prison.
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This horse has been beaten to death, but it bears repeating: underneath the frequent exchanges of barbs and insults, McCoy and Spock actually like and respect one another. You can get away with saying things to or about a friend that you would never say to a stranger.
I'm with T'Girl. This alien design seems needless complicated, and I can't imagine having to shove food behind the "nose" in order to eat. I guess it's possible they don't even use the mouth for nutritional intake, in which case... never mind.
All his nutrients are in liquid form which he drinks with a straw? More importantly, how did the actor eat when he was done up like that?
Right, and it's not as though Spock was completely innocent where said barbs and insults were concerned. People tend to focus only on McCoy's part on their ongoing banter because his remarks were much more dramatic, but Spock gave as good he got.
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Why does Kruge kill Valkris? If he didn't want anyone else to know about the Genesis Device, why not just beam her out and then destroy the transport ship? I mean, she was able to obtain this Starfleet/Federation information as a Klingon which should be no small feat, so why waste a valuable asset? Kruge wanting to keep the Genesis data for himself doesn't really come off as a reasonable excuse since he openly shares the data with his officers anyways. I just don't get it.
I think it was supposed to help define his character- willing to sacrifice someone he cared for in the line of duty to the Klingon Empire, but I agree it does not make a lot of sense.
^Additionally, I wonder if part of the issue was that she disobeyed orders by viewing the material. Perhaps she assumed that Kruge wouldn't punish her for peeking at the data on the disk but ultimately guessed wrong.
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Most of his mouth is unobstructed. nobody's ever ate a carrot or had a sucker that they put in the side of their mouth?
"Eaten." And no.
Maybe it was a snap-on appliance.
And as someone pointed out, who's to say they use their mouths for food? Or there could be a lot of light, stringy stuff floating around their atmosphere, and the obstruction catches and stops most of it from entering that orifice - like eyelashes and nose hair but a single bar and more huge. I'm not sure I'd like to see their mouth sneeze.
Maybe it was a snap-on appliance.
And as someone pointed out, who's to say they use their mouths for food? Or there could be a lot of light, stringy stuff floating around their atmosphere, and the obstruction catches and stops most of it from entering that orifice - like eyelashes and nose hair but a single bar and more huge. I'm not sure I'd like to see their mouth sneeze.
How do we know his race eats through their mouths? He could toss things into the top of his head like a GD for all we know.
What I don't get is how the writers often don't even take basic notes. There's often contradicting information in episodes only a few episodes away from each other.
What I don't get is how the writers often don't even take basic notes. There's often contradicting information in episodes only a few episodes away from each other.
Okay, so here's one. In Generations when everyone is evacuating the Enterprise's secondary hull, Geordi and one of his engineers have to fight their way through the crowd to get to unattended children, who apparently are just being ignored by everyone else.
So, what, a ship full of Starfleet's bravest and boldest, and everyone except two officers are content to let children die just to save their own asses? And what the hell were children doing in the secondary hull at the time anyway? Civilians, be they children or grown ups shouldn't really have a reason to leave the saucer and go down to the secondary hull anyway. But since the ship was already on red alert when the evacuation order was given, all civilians, be they children or grown ups should have been in their quarters, which are all located in the saucer.
So, what, a ship full of Starfleet's bravest and boldest, and everyone except two officers are content to let children die just to save their own asses? And what the hell were children doing in the secondary hull at the time anyway? Civilians, be they children or grown ups shouldn't really have a reason to leave the saucer and go down to the secondary hull anyway. But since the ship was already on red alert when the evacuation order was given, all civilians, be they children or grown ups should have been in their quarters, which are all located in the saucer.
I really couldn't (and still can't) swallow or understand the notion that Voyager's holodeck operated on a different power source or type of power output and, therefore, that's why they could have holodeck adventures while still operating in conservation mode and not be able to run replicators at full capacity.
Really? If your ship's got that much power available to operate the holodeck, then you'll quickly figure out how to transfer that energy to more practical needs, such as replicators. If the power doesn't directly work or isn't compatible, then you'd figure out how to make something else work. Maybe you'd convert the holodeck to showers and a galley. Heck, if people eat on the holodeck normally (since it's a combination of replicator and hologram), then that should work for feeding the crew.
Really what this showed was that the writers couldn't get away from the baggage of having holodeck episodes.
For that matter, I never understood a lot from Voyager - and I belonged to a Voyager fan club. How hard was it to make sure the writers stuck to an overall theme of "reduce, reuse and recycle?"
Really? If your ship's got that much power available to operate the holodeck, then you'll quickly figure out how to transfer that energy to more practical needs, such as replicators. If the power doesn't directly work or isn't compatible, then you'd figure out how to make something else work. Maybe you'd convert the holodeck to showers and a galley. Heck, if people eat on the holodeck normally (since it's a combination of replicator and hologram), then that should work for feeding the crew.
Really what this showed was that the writers couldn't get away from the baggage of having holodeck episodes.
For that matter, I never understood a lot from Voyager - and I belonged to a Voyager fan club. How hard was it to make sure the writers stuck to an overall theme of "reduce, reuse and recycle?"
Klingon blood is red in all but TUC. The only reason it was magenta there is that it would have bumped up the movie's rating. I guess since the pink blood was the contradiction, it was decided not to amend Klingon blood to that colour for any future productions. Larry Nemecek posited, "Perhaps, in hindsight, the blood globs we saw in ST:VI were interacting in an odd and visible way amid toxins in the malfunctioning atmospheric system of Gorkon's heavily damaged ship!"
Another discrepancy with TUC is that Spock says that Klingons have no tear ducts, yet Klingons have been seen to produce tears, and Klingon myth states that Kahless once filled the ocean with his tears...
^I wonder if Spock's comment about the absence of tear-ducts was based on a misconception or rumor--sort of like the Breen living in a frozen wasteland.
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