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So name a Star Trek moment that you just didn't "get".

TNG: Masks just seemed overly pretentious to me. Started off well enough, then went into Crazytown.
 
In addition to all that, sex with a Deltan is supposed to be so awesome that if a non-Deltan engaged in it, the experience would turn them into a drooling vegetable. Although at least they'd have life long contentment.

More like the empathic sexual thing would redefine your pleasure scale so much you could never enjoy sex with a mere human again. Rubbish, of course, but that's the idea.
 
The transporter room scene between Kirk and McCoy in TMP plays very strange to me whenever I watch it today. The pauses in "I need you... Dammit Bones, I need you... badly!" are very odd, even for Shatner. It honestly plays like Shatner forgot how his line ended, and he just threw "badly" in there at the last second.

Shatner's "Oh my God" during TMP's transporter accident scene is very stiff as well. Those scenes just seem like Robert Wise forgot to ask for another take.

And now that I think of it, why does everyone in TMP act like McCoy is being silly for not wanting to get into the transporter when we just saw it hideously kill two people not half an hour before? They all have an attitude of, "Oh that quirky McCoy and his transporter phobia" instead of, "Yeah, that's a good point. Maybe we should just send a shuttle for him instead."

So basically, I guess I have a problem with any TMP scenes that involve the transporter. :lol:
 
The transporter room scene between Kirk and McCoy in TMP plays very strange to me whenever I watch it today. The pauses in "I need you... Dammit Bones, I need you... badly!" are very odd, even for Shatner. It honestly plays like Shatner forgot how his line ended, and he just threw "badly" in there at the last second.

No, he's just trying desperately not to make it sound like a sexual come-on.
 
The transporter room scene between Kirk and McCoy in TMP plays very strange to me whenever I watch it today. The pauses in "I need you... Dammit Bones, I need you... badly!" are very odd, even for Shatner. It honestly plays like Shatner forgot how his line ended, and he just threw "badly" in there at the last second.

No, he's just trying desperately not to make it sound like a sexual come-on.
He should have said, "Damn it, Bones, I need you. Like the flower needs the rain, you know, I need you. Guess I'll start it all again. You know, I need you like the winter needs the spring. You know, I need you. I need you."
 
The Borg are capable of time travel--we know this from First Contact. Ok, we can say they don't travel back in time in the Delta Quadrant and THEN assimilate earth because they'd rather have 24th Century earth and not 21st century earth, check. But once plan A failed, they DID use time travel and took 21st Century earth. SO, once THAT failed, why wouldn't Borg still in the Delta Quadrant say "f it, these humans/Federation are way too much trouble. We'll travel back in time here, in the Delta Q, and THEN assimilate earth." I mean, ok, the Borg back in time were stopped from getting their beacon to work, thus stopping those Borg from communicating with 21st Century Borg, but am I really to believe that the 24th Century Borg in the DQ never found out any of the details of what happened in First Contact? They had to have known about 1) the destruction of the cube that invaded thee AQ, and 2) the time travel bit, because of the signal that connects them all.

At some point, why would't the Borg just use this devastating weapon (time travel) in complete safety, and change history without that pestilential Enterprise D around? Just saying.


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I guess this really isn't a "moment."
 
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Was the cloud monster in Obsession deliberately leaving one person alive whenever it attacked a group? It was consistent about this, perhaps it was somewhat like a cat playing with it's prey?

How come there are never lines at the holodeck?
What?
I think he means a line of people to get in. Holodeck time probably is scheduled in advance, and a few might be held in reserve for duty related simulations.

:)

Oh yes! You're right of course. I had a blond moment I guess.:lol:

In Voyager's Drive we see B'Lana trade favors for holodeck time, so I guess it is an acknowledgment that Holodeck time is a rationed commodity, and therefore that there could be virtual lines to get in.
 
The Borg are capable of time travel--we know this from First Contact. Ok, we can say they don't travel back in time in the Delta Quadrant and THEN assimilate earth because they'd rather have 24th Century earth and not 21st century earth, check. But once plan A failed, they DID use time travel and took 21st Century earth. SO, once THAT failed, why wouldn't Borg still in the Delta Quadrant say "f it, these humans/Federation are way too much trouble. We'll travel back in time here, in the Delta Q, and THEN assimilate earth." I mean, ok, the Borg back in time were stopped from getting their beacon to work, thus stopping those Borg from communicating with 21st Century Borg, but am I really to believe that the 24th Century Borg in the DQ never found out any of the details of what happened in First Contact? They had to have known about 1) the destruction of the cube that invaded thee AQ, and 2) the time travel bit, because of the signal that connects them all.

At some point, why would't the Borg just use this devastating weapon (time travel) in complete safety, and change history without that pestilential Enterprise D around?

Because the Borg are confident enough that they will eventually succeed in dominating the galaxy - that they don't need to hurry to achieve the goal.
 
...I'm sure some Christians think that's an actual place, and if you could get there you'd be closer to God...
I am sure some do but they're not likely to be the brightest of the lot. To think that a being that created the whole damn universe would need to be in one specific place is utterly ridiculous. I never once understood even as a child the expression "Closer to God" as being other than metaphorical. Being closer to god in a topological way, makes no more sense than being closer to the universe.

They're intrigued by the way hu-man women have their lobes on their chests instead of their heads.
You must admit that it's an extraordinary coincidence that both Quark's and Rom's canons of human beauty coincide with those of most men, especially when you consider how ugly their females seem to us.
 
IIn Amok time, one learns that a Vulcan needs to have sex with that specific person (+ mind meld), or he dies.
No, Spock said "take a wife," not have sex.

And later, we see one does not have to have sex at all, he can fight to death and be killed, or he can kill someone.
You missed it. Spock won the challange, T'Pring was his property by custom and law, end of that particular story.

Subsequent to that, Spock gave her away, but that was separate.

It seems he just needed some vigorous physical activity
No, he needed to take a wife, which he did.

:)

Still I do not buy it. How would standing at some ceremonial place and saying some words (whatever they say when they get married) change his hormonal problem? 'Take a wife' seem to me more like ' take a wife and have sex with her'- I do not recall the word 'sex' (or any other word describing this activity) being ever said in TOS, not even once, but there was always somehow suggested some sex has been done, or is going to be.
There were two instances of Spock (supposedly) having sexy time, and there was nothing explicit shown or said, some people would argue, if he had sex or not.
 
There's an early TNG episode where Picard has a headache and everybody acts like this is this strange, archaic illness that people don't experience anymore.

Seriously, people don't get plain old headaches in the 24th Century? Even after too much Romulan ale?

I can buy transporter beams and holodecks and warp travel, but that one had me rolling my eyes?
 
The Borg are capable of time travel--we know this from First Contact. Ok, we can say they don't travel back in time in the Delta Quadrant and THEN assimilate earth because they'd rather have 24th Century earth and not 21st century earth, check. But once plan A failed, they DID use time travel and took 21st Century earth. SO, once THAT failed, why wouldn't Borg still in the Delta Quadrant say "f it, these humans/Federation are way too much trouble. We'll travel back in time here, in the Delta Q, and THEN assimilate earth." I mean, ok, the Borg back in time were stopped from getting their beacon to work, thus stopping those Borg from communicating with 21st Century Borg, but am I really to believe that the 24th Century Borg in the DQ never found out any of the details of what happened in First Contact? They had to have known about 1) the destruction of the cube that invaded thee AQ, and 2) the time travel bit, because of the signal that connects them all.

At some point, why would't the Borg just use this devastating weapon (time travel) in complete safety, and change history without that pestilential Enterprise D around? Just saying.


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I guess this really isn't a "moment."

Honestly, the Borg assimilating Earth in the past makes no sense at all. The Borg are interested in technology, not people. What's so technologically impressive about humanity the day they launch their first warp flight?
 
^That never made sense to me, either. And as humanity was not interested in significantly expanding the Federation's borders, it's not as though any territory occupied by the Borg would have been threatened by the Federation.

--Sran
 
IIn Amok time, one learns that a Vulcan needs to have sex with that specific person (+ mind meld), or he dies.
No, Spock said "take a wife," not have sex.

You missed it. Spock won the challange, T'Pring was his property by custom and law, end of that particular story.

Subsequent to that, Spock gave her away, but that was separate.

It seems he just needed some vigorous physical activity
No, he needed to take a wife, which he did.

:)

Still I do not buy it. How would standing at some ceremonial place and saying some words (whatever they say when they get married) change his hormonal problem? 'Take a wife' seem to me more like ' take a wife and have sex with her'- I do not recall the word 'sex' (or any other word describing this activity) being ever said in TOS, not even once, but there was always somehow suggested some sex has been done, or is going to be.
There were two instances of Spock (supposedly) having sexy time, and there was nothing explicit shown or said, some people would argue, if he had sex or not.

On a similar I never really got why they included pon farr in TSFS, except as a nod to TOS. If it is all they say it is would Savvik's little finger game really fix him? Did she actually have sex with him? And wouldn't Spock have gone through pon farr 2 or 3 times during his rapid growth period.
 
I do find it strange too that Ferengi males are so attracted to human/human appearing women. They look so different, but then Leeta married Rom and was clearly madly in love with him. Those kind of things only seem to go one way on screen, as you never see an attractive human male with a hideous alien woman.
 
Honestly, the Borg assimilating Earth in the past makes no sense at all. The Borg are interested in technology, not people. What's so technologically impressive about humanity the day they launch their first warp flight?

True, that made no sense. They wanted technology they never encountered before. So they go back into time and assimilate a pre warp society? :confused:

In the 24th century, they rejected the Kazon because they found their technology to be nothing special.

Still I do not buy it. How would standing at some ceremonial place and saying some words (whatever they say when they get married) change his hormonal problem? 'Take a wife' seem to me more like ' take a wife and have sex with her'- I do not recall the word 'sex' (or any other word describing this activity) being ever said in TOS, not even once, but there was always somehow suggested some sex has been done, or is going to be.
There were two instances of Spock (supposedly) having sexy time, and there was nothing explicit shown or said, some people would argue, if he had sex or not.

That would be some strange biology.



One thing I never got is how backwards ground combat had become in Seige of Ar 558. The soldiers wore no armor, and were just aiming and firing single shots at the enemy.

Naturally the Jem Hadar just charged right into them and almost overwhelmed them.

They had no concept of automatic fire. It resembled 18th century combat.
 
I kind of assumed the Borg just wanted Earth off the playing field, and since they couldn't take them out in the present, they were eliminating them in the past.

I don't really get how fighting resolves Pon Farr. I have heard the theory, which I don't think was serious, that Spock's mating drive came to a climax, literally, while he was fighting Kirk. So the fight was basically a form of sex. That makes as much sense as what we saw on screen anyways. I also really didn't get how Tuvok having sex with a holographic version of his wife did the trick. I thought the whole Pon Farr experience would be a lot deeper than that, requiring a telepathic component. Just doing it with a hologram seems like a cop out, and it undermines the whole biological complications of Pon Farr.

Another infamous WTF Trek moment was what we see of the Ocampan reproduction, that they only reproduce once in their lifetime. Since some people would die before they could reproduce, would have failed pregnancies, have trouble conceiving, choose not to have a child, etc..all the things that could prevent that reproduction, and add to that that having one child per couple would halve their population every generation...that made no sense.
I thought possibly that the Caretaker had tampered with the Ocampans to artificially restrict their reproduction to reduce their population for his own reasons. Also, multiple births being common would help, but I don't recall that being even suggested as I'm pretty sure Kes only ever talked about the possibility of having one child.
 
1. In TMP when Iila reports aboard and says that her oath of celibacy is on record to the whole bridge crew. I'm sure it's been explained elsewhere but, really, what was the point of that statement? I get Deltans don't have sex until they're married, or whatever they call it, but her saying it aloud makes it sound like there was some kind of petition circulating around the Enterprise for people to sign to line up to take your shot at getting it on with her. Or, maybe she knew Kirk's reputation with the women and wanted him to know she was off limits. Regardless of the reason it just made me go huh? It's like a crew member who comes from a society that doesn't drink alcohol stating to everyone that his oath of sobriety is on record.

My understanding is the exact opposite: that Deltan society is extremely sexualized, so much so it makes most other species uncomfortable and probably Star Fleet nervous that it could become a distraction or danger to operations.

My interpretation of Deltans all come from, not the part about her celibacy, but that she used the words "sexually immature" or something of that regard, implying humans in that mix.

To me something just clicked, like they could enjoy sex, benefit from it, make it routine, without it being distracting to their lives, like awkward courtship or sex addiction or sex-shaming, etc. No need for restraint or censorship or modesty because they were in full control of their sex lives and hormones -- when to access it, when to engage it, how to maximize sex, etc.

There's an early TNG episode where Picard has a headache and everybody acts like this is this strange, archaic illness that people don't experience anymore.

I actually think about that from time to time whenever I get an intense migraine. I recall a scene in that episode when Picard goes to his quarters to try to sleep it off, but he lays his head very awkwardly on the armrest of his couch, at an angle which would *probably* only make it worse once he wakes up.

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Elsewhere, PADDs were mentioned, but the thing that always gets to me are those occasions when our characters will have piles or a scattered mess of PADDs to indicate that they've been doing some heavy duty cramming and need a break. But surely all that information must fit into a single PADD anyway. Obviously it's a trick to show abundance and workload, and they didn't foresee tablets being used as space savers.
 
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