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Enterprise's best season was its first, it lost a little steam each year thereafter, though I still loved all four seasons.

Similtude is the most implausible and immoral Star Trek episode ever produced.

Shatner was a great captain Kirk. When he's on, he's a great actor, when he's over the top, he's still more than watchable.

Thank goodness TOS was about a trio of characters, and the gang of four were nothing but part of the scenery. Modern ensemble shows are all well and good, but there's nothing wrong with a good, old fashioned show that focuses narrowly on one star with just a friend or two thrown in the mix.
 
WillsBabe said:
Guartho said:
He's only 7 years old by the end of the series. Naomi Wildman is the only character younger than him. I'm glad I missed the episode where he was lusting after her. Ewwwwww...

Seriously? There's an episode where that happens? :wtf:
No, no he's just commenting on the fact that technically 7 is older than he is.

As for Odo, he was actually discovered back in 2337 according to Memory Alpha, and Mora started working with him in 2356, so depending on when you want to start counting he is actually either 38 or 21. Then again we don't really know when he was sent out into space so he could easily be decades or maybe centuries older than that. So any way you look at it Odo really wasn't a teenager.
 
The episode "Amok Time", as finely done as it is, seriously damages the concept of Vulcans as established to this point in the series (as a highly evolved, logical, super-intelligent and advanced species) by presenting them as a barbaric, bigoted culture who countenance combat to the death as a part of a mating ritual.
 
I think Marina Sirtis actually got hotter as she got older. Movie Troi does it for me way, way better than early TNG Troi.

Voyager was, for the most part, at its best early on then got progressively worse and worse, save for its mid-series resurgence. I loved the Kazon(I thought they were a fresh concept, and they made an interesting adversary) and I thought that the character ensemble had the most squandered potential of any of the Trek casts.
 
ToddPence said:
The episode "Amok Time", as finely done as it is, seriously damages the concept of Vulcans as established to this point in the series (as a highly evolved, logical, super-intelligent and advanced species) by presenting them as a barbaric, bigoted culture who countenance combat to the death as a part of a mating ritual.

not necessarily. and it's not unrealistic either.

Japan still has a lot of "barbarism" to it. so does the United States. both are considered "advanced" cultures. traditions and rituals are often a way to preserve identity. logic and reason don't even enter that particular equation.

episodes like Amok Time went a long way in investing TOS (and Vulcans) with the "life" that spawned the entire franchise. they're gold.
 
1. Voyager wasn't all that bad, and I liked Endgame.

2. DS9 isn't the second coming. I mean, I enjoyed it, but it wasn't without its stinkers. 'Profit and Lace', 'Let He Who Is Without Sin', 'Move Along Home', BLAH!

3. Enterprise is the Galactica 1980 of Star Trek. Maybe that isn't such an unpopular opinion.
 
I prefer C/7 to J/C. I think it's ridiculous to assume that any adult male (hell, any adult with any libido whatsoever) would have spent seven years in platonic, hopeful devotion to someone who gave him as little reason as Janeway did, to suggest that his affections were returned. Seven at least was willing to make a move, fercryinoutloud. So he didn't like her when she first appeared -- so what? When he first met Janeway, she'd been sent to arrest him.

Jeri Taylor did not write a good or credible version of Janeway -- her Janeway was a 20th-century soap opera character.

In fact, Taylor is remarkably overrated as a writer, period. And her novels were unjustifiable killings of trees.

Jellico was right, and the TNG crew came off as a gang of whiners when they had to deal with him.

The planets in the DMZ were, in fact, given a rotten deal by the Federation. And the Maquis held the moral high ground over both the Cardies and the Feds.

I liked Eddington, too. And he was smarter than Sisko. (I offer "Blaze of Glory" as evidence. Eddington totally had Sisko dancing to his tune.)
 
In the Ds9 relaunch books I would get rid of Shar keep him on Andor and Vaughn's bratty daughter Prynn Tenmei I'd transfer off the station and to some deep space assignment and just a brief mention of a mission but not another main storyline.I can't stand her character and wish they'd get rid of her. I don't want to read any more of Tenmei in the newer ds9 books.How about letting the regular characters like Dr. Bashir get more storylines dealing with Section 31 instead.And Jake and Nog too.
 
I liked "Faith of the Heart"
I Liked Nemesis
I feel that if it makes a good story, cannon and continuity can be thrown out the nearest airlock.
While I agree that Enterprise got shafted, I don't think TATV is as bad as it is made out to be.
 
Doing TOS with new actors is a splendid idea. The re-VFX'ing of the episodes in connection with remastering is cool as well. And TAS was worth the (limited) effort.

Timo, have I mentioned lately that I love you? I don't always agree with you, but you're always a class act.

This in a thread of unpopular opinions? ;)

The feeling is mutual, you know. If not for commitments elsewhere...

Timo Saloniemi
 
archeryguy1701 said:
I liked "Faith of the Heart"
I Liked Nemesis
I feel that if it makes a good story, cannon and continuity can be thrown out the nearest airlock.
While I agree that Enterprise got shafted, I don't think TATV is as bad as it is made out to be.

Couldn't agree more about 1 and 3, couldn't agree less with 2 and 4!
 
'The First Duty' was not a good downfall ep for Wes. Wes is The Solution Kid, so a downfall ep should have had one of his solutions disastrously fail.

1 - A kid, who, his other flaws aside, was able to stand up to Picard on his own Bridge, could not talk down a JTK-wannabe.

2 - Wes did not do the right thing. Picard was about to do it for him, tying his hands. I've heard it said that a unified front for Nova Squadron could have kept them all in good--I can't believe this. The investigations and the word of the senior officers of the E-D would, to my mind, trump a whole Academy full of perfect sociopaths. They'dve been out either way, which leads me to...

3 - Locarno was not as true as his word. He was full of bluster, realized he'd been cornered, and took an option that made him look good at the last, to spare the last shred of his former glory.

I hope the nature of this thread shields me from the other 99% of ST fans, who seem to like TFD just fine. :D

Edit : I was also a bit thrown by 'The Game', and Wes's statement about the Academy being a lot to take. Yeah, Righhht. After all, Mister Crusher, what you did on the Enterprise was just field work and open combat. THIS IS SIMULATION and lessons! Tell, me Wes. When your grade - and the grade of all the cadets in your squad is on the line - can you deduce the proper solution? Well, Can You? :lol:
 
Star Trek 5 is not only not the worst Trek movie, it is a decent Trek movie and has some of the best character moments between the big 3.

Wesley is not the worst character of all time, and when he went away to Starfleet became a good character.

:)
 
Mysterion said:
Jellico was right.
sbk1234 said:
Jellico was right about everything.
Brennyren said:
Jellico was right, and the TNG crew came off as a gang of whiners when they had to deal with him.

I don't think this is an unpopular opinion. In fact, I don't recall ever seeing anyone take the opposing view.


Marian
 
MarianLH said:
Mysterion said:
Jellico was right.
I don't think this is an unpopular opinion. In fact, I don't recall ever seeing anyone take the opposing view.


Marian

Actually, Jellico's whole Delta/Gamma Shift was the biggest conceptual flaw in "The Chain of Command" - it's random pointless conflict generator without substance or purpose. The episode briefly alludes to his desire to shut down the science divisions so he can focus on military, this would have been a much better - and more substanial - matter to pit Riker and Jellico against each other early in the episode.

Otherwise, it's just killing time and souring relationships with Jellico before they can be soured over anything substanial.
 
MarianLH said:
Mysterion said:
Jellico was right.
sbk1234 said:
Jellico was right about everything.
Brennyren said:
Jellico was right, and the TNG crew came off as a gang of whiners when they had to deal with him.

I don't think this is an unpopular opinion. In fact, I don't recall ever seeing anyone take the opposing view.


Marian

Oh, back when "Chains of Command" first aired, you woulda thought that Jellico was Satan incarnate from the general reaction in fandom. A lot of "where does he get off treating our heroes that way" sort of stuff. Mostly, IMO, from folks with no conception of how a military organization works. Yes, i think Starfleet is a military organization. Very poorly run and organized, but nontheless, military. And the way Peter David and others have portrayed the character in novels hasn't helped a lot, either.
 
Re: My most unpopular Trek opinions

1) Starfleet is not the US military-in-space. It doesn't have commandos or marines. It draws inspiration from it, yes, but it's not IT. Therefore it's allowed to deviate from the way the US military acts and functions.

2) There is no money in the 23rd and 24th centuries. The economy works differently, we just haven't seen exactly how.

3) Data/Brent Spiner is a hack.

4) Dr. Pulaski was the most realistic and likable TNG character.

5) The TNG men's skant was bold and envelope-pushing and the reaction to it in the bulk of fandom shows just how far contemporary Western society has to go still in terms of gender stereotyping/equality.

6) The original TOS-era Enterprise is the ugliest, most bland starship design ever, both inside and out.

7) Modern Trek novels are fanwank excuses spewing Whedon-esque dialogue with flimsy plots and settings that serve only to bring together any and all existing minor characters in the Trekverse into one giant one degree of separation.
 
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