You're most unpopular Trek opinions

[UnknownSample]

Christ, be fair. Manny Coto was a fan, who was like us in the fact that we/he didn't have the talent and inspiration to take on Trek, but was dedicated to it. Berman/braga drove Trek into the ground. At least it was put into the hands of a fan for a year, before oblivion.

 

[Kegek]

Sisu said:
Don't be ridiculous. That honour has to go to the Shat's, "Oh ... mygod" from ST:TMP.

Most mis-emotional line reading from Shatner. Ever. Though "I need you. Badly." isn't great either.

 

[Sisu]

The poor Shat. He really did mess up so many lines......

 

[katie9918]

WeAreTheBorg said:

stj said:
Manny Coto killed Trek and the stinking corpse isn't worth digging up.

You can't kill something that is already dead

Manny Coto found a slightly beating pulse and would have been able to revive Trek if he'd been given more than half a chance.

 

[Mysterion]

Harlan Ellison's version of "City on the Edge of Forever" is superior to the version that aired.

 

[katie9918]

Mysterion said:
Harlan Ellison's version of "City on the Edge of Forever" is superior to the version that aired.

I don't think that in and of itself is an unpopular opinion, but Ellison has consistently come off as so over-the-top that it kind of sours me on acknowledging the fact. I don't know how many other people feel that way.

 

[GMDreia]

1. Star Trek V was good Trek, and one of Trek's best moments.
2. Sybok was a good character.
3. Most of TNG was boring.
4. All of the TNG movies except for "First Contact" sucked.
5. In the DS9 relaunch novels, the character Shar is an annoying, whiny little blue emo boy. I could write books just on how I hate Shar, but instead I created a deliberately Shar-esque character in the RPG I run, with the knowledge he's going to die horribly in a later campaign.

 

[Balthier the Great]

Mordock said:

BalthierTheGreat said:
Jonesy said:

I think Berman developed that sense of playing it safe simply from being on Star Trek so long, and having to answer to the $ men in Paramount. He had a lot more to lose as the years wore on in his time on Trek.


Well, I figured it came from his previous gig keeping Cheers running. One thing about sitcoms is that you can't change a lot and still have the thing work. What really changed in a sitcom? I can't think of anything.

That's an interesting comparison, because Cheers was considered quite innovative at the time of its original run because it wasn't entirely episodic, and while it didn't necessarily use story arcs as we currently define them, it had a strong element of seriality (Sam's pursuit of Diane leading to a failed relationship which leads to her engaging in another relationship with Frasier, Sam selling and regaining and again partly losing ownership of the bar, etc.).

I'd say that if Berman was consciously using Cheers as a model for his Trek series, they would have been more flexible in structure...

Umm in my own defense, I was 8 at the time. And considering that Cliff was always on the same barstool every week...

 

[Kegek]

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And also in his defence, there was some light arcing going on in TNG. Nothing intensive, but more or less around Cheers level. The development of Klingon politics and Worf's disgrace and redemption, for example. VOY even had a few arcs, though UPN interference - not Berman - was the main reason these were so downplayed.

 

[Thrall]

-TOS is a outdated relic along the lines of Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon. It can only be loved by old-timers and people who love nastolgia.

-Spock is an elitist, condesending, racist prick. Now that I think about it, all Vulcans are like that.

-McCoy is an angry asshole.

-Kirk is a one-dimensional cartoon character. People like the IDEA of Kirk and what he represents rather then the character himself. If you were to take the character and trasport him into something a little less cheesy you'd get something exactly like Zap Branigan.

-Tom Paris should have nailed Seven of Nine. Just for no reason other then the fact that it might of made her less of a bitch.

-The EMH is one of the worst characters in Trek. He's Fraiser Crane in Space. That's all he is. Oh and he's a dirty old man lusting after a much younger chick.

-T'Pol is Spock of Nine.

I'll think of some others later.

 

[Kegek]

Thrall said:
-The EMH is one of the worst characters in Trek. He's Fraiser Crane in Space.

Actually, that's precisely why he's one of the best characters in Trek. Couldn't have said it better myself. Picardo appeared on Frasier once, he was very funny in a small role.

 

[MarianLH]

Canon is the hobgoblin of little minds.

First Contact is overrated.

"Faith of the Heart" was a good choice for a prequel's theme music.


Marian

 

[Timo]

MarianLH is usually right.

Timo Saloniemi
(hobgoblin in residence)

 

[Kegek]

^
Well, two out of three ain't bad.

(Hint: I loathe Faith of the Heart).

 

[MarianLH]

Kegek said:
^
Well, two out of three ain't bad.

(Hint: I loathe Faith of the Heart).

Most people do. That's what makes it an unpopular opinion. To me it evokes a sense of the "early days" of space exploration.

Last night, after I posted, it occurred to me that maybe it's not so much because of the song itself, but because it reminds me of some of the filk I've heard at cons. The optimistic ones about space exploration, like Steve Macdonald's "Journey's Done".

Timo, have I mentioned lately that I love you? I don't always agree with you, but you're always a class act.


Marian

 

[Kegek]

MarianLH said:
Most people do. That's what makes it an unpopular opinion.

Granted.

To me it evokes a sense of the "early days" of space exploration.

To me it evokes bland generic popular music that is without merit. Early days of space exploration? Hmm. Something Russian, I guess. Let's go with Borodin's lonely Into the Steppes.

And then Gustav Holst's The Planets. That's obvious.

 

[Guartho]

Thrall said:


-The EMH is one of the worst characters in Trek. He's Fraiser Crane in Space. That's all he is. Oh and he's a dirty old man lusting after a much younger chick.

He's only 7 years old by the end of the series. Naomi Wildman is the only character younger than him. I'm glad I missed the episode where he was lusting after her. Ewwwwww...

 

[Kegek]

Guartho said:
He's only 7 years old by the end of the series. Naomi Wildman is the only character younger than him. I'm glad I missed the episode where he was lusting after her. Ewwwwww...

Odo was a teenager. What's your point?

 

[WillsBabe]

Guartho said:
He's only 7 years old by the end of the series. Naomi Wildman is the only character younger than him. I'm glad I missed the episode where he was lusting after her. Ewwwwww...

Seriously? There's an episode where that happens?

 

[Kegek]

WillsBabe said:

Guartho said:
He's only 7 years old by the end of the series. Naomi Wildman is the only character younger than him. I'm glad I missed the episode where he was lusting after her. Ewwwwww...

Seriously? There's an episode where that happens?

God no. He's just implying it'd be a logical result because the Doc is young.