You're most unpopular Trek opinions

[Thespeckledkiwi]

I liked what Voyager did to the Borg for the most part.

*runs away*

 

[Kegek]

Cyclopean said:
I agree that ENT's trio isn't particularly strong, but I can't stand Phlox (AKA Neelix redux.)

Yes, he's basically that. But I don't hate Neelix as much as others, and I think Phlox is Neelix Done Right.

That's definitely better than T'Pol, the Sexed-Up Seven. And considering what Seven's selling point was to begin with...

Ensembles are hackneyed at this point and should be avoided, imo.

I think a good ensemble is always good, and a bad lead-centred show is a problem. The issue isn't the concept, just the execution.

 

[Cyclopean]

Kegek Kringle said: I think a good ensemble is always good, and a bad lead-centred show is a problem. The issue isn't the concept, just the execution.

It's easier to find three good actors than seven; the same goes for creating new characters, I think, and certainly fleshing them out in course of a season. Plus all four ST revival shows have been ensemble, so maybe it's time to give the formula a rest.

For myself, in the next Trek series, I'd love to have three charismatic actors playing three intriguing roles. If the show's creators can manage more than that, fine--- but nail down the main characters first.

 

[Kegek]

Cyclopean said:
For myself, in the next Trek series, I'd love to have three charismatic actors playing three intriguing roles. If the show's creators can manage more than that, fine--- but nail down the main characters first.

As Dexter has demonstratably shown, all you really need is one (I like the supporting cast, but it's definitely the title character that draws me).

I'm for whatever works, plain and simple. As ensembles go, TNG and VOY wisely gravitated towards its stronger castmembers, while DS9 actually had a fairly good balance.

Of course, in a way you're getting your wish: The upcoming movie is a TOS one, and I suspect the dramatic focus will be on Kirk and Spock, not the supporting cast.

 

[JD]

Personally, I prefer shows with good ensambles, and IMO that's what Star Trek should be. It's also part of why I love Heroes, Lost, and BSG so much, all three of those shows have amazing ensables. IMO even if a show chooses to focus on a limited group of characters, you still need a strong supporting or recurring cast to back them up.

 

[ToddPence]

ST V, for all of its admitted flaws, is still a much better and more enjoyable film than ST VI - which I find almost unremittingly bleak and depressing with a rather cliched plotline.

 

[indranee]

^true, that. my least favorite is ST6, actually. the only scenes I like in it are stuff like the cup saucer thing before the moon explodes, when the ship goes kaboom, and the whole Sulu rescue thing. I also like that little shipboard bunk scene between K and S. nice stuff. the movie was a dripping bore on the whole, though, Trek5's thunder thighs and all notwithstanding. ugh.

 

[dreadnought]

Kegek Kringle said:

Cyclopean said:
I agree that ENT's trio isn't particularly strong, but I can't stand Phlox (AKA Neelix redux.)

Yes, he's basically that. But I don't hate Neelix as much as others, and I think Phlox is Neelix Done Right.

That's definitely better than T'Pol, the Sexed-Up Seven. And considering what Seven's selling point was to begin with...



Well, she does have huge...tracts of land.

 

[siskokid888]

TMP, especially the director's cut, is far and away the best Trek film, and maybe the best Trek period.

 

[TGTheodore]

That Gene Roddenberry was an above-average TV writer looking to create a show to earn a living, and came up with Star Trek, and that the "philosophy" and "optimistic view of the future" stuff just happened to come along as a secondary part of the show, and that all the altruism has been incredibly exaggerated through the years.

I'm not saying the optimistic message is bad, but just that it got blown way out the role it actually played in a writer trying to make a few bucks.

--Ted

 

[Plum]

^^^
Yea, sure I'm with ya there. But when did any writer not want to make a few bucks?

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Re: Your most unpopular Trek opinions

Yeah, why are we faulting someone for making money?

 

[Kegek]

Re: Your most unpopular Trek opinions

Because he preached about how excellent a moneyless society would be and about how evil money-grubbing capitalists are?

 

[Cyclopean]

Re: Your most unpopular Trek opinions

Another opinion:

I would much rather have seen Star Trek: Phase II than the TOS movies (even though I liked some of the TOS movies.) Four or five seasons of Phase II would have segued into TNG a lot better than the highly uneven Trek movies.

Of course, I'm 'messing' with the timeline by wishing for Phase II... Roddenberry may well have killed the golden goose and no version of TNG would have been possible.

 

[Sharr Khan]

TG TheRedNosed said:
That Gene Roddenberry was an above-average TV writer looking to create a show to earn a living, and came up with Star Trek, and that the "philosophy" and "optimistic view of the future" stuff just happened to come along as a secondary part of the show, and that all the altruism has been incredibly exaggerated through the years.

I'm not saying the optimistic message is bad, but just that it got blown way out the role it actually played in a writer trying to make a few bucks.

--Ted

Thank you.

Sharr

 

[startrekwatcher]

TedShatner10 said:

Kegek said:

TedShatner10 said:
And Jennifer Lien was good in a episode where she was possesed by the evil spirit of a dead dictator,

"Warlord" - One of the best episodes, in my view, of Voyager's strongest season, the third. I'm not a Jeri Taylor sycophant by any means ("Future's End" was kind of dull, really) but I do think the series really gelled here better than elsewhere.

That Season Four for me I'm afraid, even though Season Three was book ended by good episodes, with boring shit in the middle (I stopped watching halfway through that season and so did millions of others).

I found Jeri Taylor a bland, uninspired episode writer, but a fairly competent producer and caster - the show improved once she backed out as a writer, but started going downhill again when she left as the producer.

I agree with TedShatner10 here.

Jeri Taylor is a lovely lady but her episodes I found were mediocre and the seasons of Trek that she had the most to do with--TNG-7 and VOY-3--were not that great.

VOY-3 for me was the first time I actually came close to giving up on a Trek series. There was just so much mediocre stuff--The Q and the Grey, Coda, Rise, Favorite Son, Darkling, Warlord, Blood Fever etc.

I know many hate pathologically Brannon Braga but it was his episodes that were the better ones that year. And while season four didn't live up to my expectations it was a mostly solid year with far fewer missteps than season three.

 

[Kegek]

I love Darkling. Blood Fever was fun. Keeping those and Warlord in mind, I'll raise you Real Life, Distant Origins, the first half of Worst Case Scenario, Scorpion, Unity, The Swarm, Sacred Ground, and...

Uh...



Fair Trade. Surprised? Talk to the avatar.

 

[TedShatner10]

"The Swarm" was just silly rubbish, "Rise" put me to sleep, and "Sacred Ground" was illogical toss, with another set of aliens of the week with hopeless security...

I saw the first half of Season Three comparatively recently on Channel Five, and it felt like a definite step down from Seasons One and Two (which were better on repeat viewing). I think one of the low points was when Neelix was dancing barefoot...

 

[Kegek]

TedShatner10 said:
"The Swarm" was just silly rubbish,

Weird, actually creepy enemy enemy, and solid Doctor material.

"Rise" put me to sleep,

No argument here.

and "Sacred Ground" was illogical toss,

Illogical, but provocatively so. That's what interesed me.

it felt like a definite step down from Seasons One and Two (which were better on repeat viewing). I think one of the low points was when Neelix was dancing barefoot...

I think S1 and S2 were a lot worse on repeats, which I have done (though "Ex Post Facto" is an underrated gem). I found myself still warming to S3, though.

 

[Dane_Whitman]

Kegek Kringle said:
Fair Trade. Surprised? Talk to the avatar.

I'm curious, in your view what's so special about "Fair Trade"? If you don't mind elaborating on that.