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Wonder Woman(NBC) *Spoilers!*

Just as long as they don't take half a decade to get around to it like they did with Smallville, which lost me permanently early on after spending way too much time downplaying the whole Superman aspect to the point where it stopped being Superman and ended up being a riff on Roswell. They eventually got back to basics and in the last couple years actually seemed to remember the show was based on a comic book, but by then I didn't care anymore.

Well, that was the whole idea behind Smallville -- to reinvent the story of Clark Kent for people who weren't comic-book fans. It wasn't supposed to be Superman, it was supposed to be a teen drama that would appeal to the WB's target demographic. Similarly to how they made a show called Tarzan which was set entirely in New York City with Jane Porter as a homicide detective. Changing it to a completely different genre was the entire point. It was about generating a new way of telling the story, one with broader appeal (at least to their target audience) than the conventional way.

The reasons that Smallville has changed in recent years are partly that it's gone on so much longer than intended that they had to make it more like Superman, partly that comic-book movies have been big hits in recent years so they wanted to capitalize on that, and partly that the original showrunners finally left and were replaced by people with a different vision of the show.

As for Wonder Woman, this is an NBC show, so it stands to reason that it will be aimed at audiences that NBC wants to cultivate. So the way to assess what the show will probably be like is to look at it in terms of what NBC wants in an audience. Remember that to them, the comic is merely source material, and what matters is making a television show that will get good ratings in their desired demographic categories. Now, NBC has given us Heroes and The Cape in recent years, so that suggests they're willing to cultivate the comic-book audience, although after the failure of The Cape, maybe they won't be as comfortable with that as they were before. But the fact that they hired David E. Kelley to make this tells us a lot about what kind of show they want it to be. They're targeting the audience that likes Kelley's shows.
 
^No specifics yet on that, but it's a safe bet that this show is going to be aimed at a general audience that might be uncomfortable with the more outre stuff like Amazon islands and mythological deities, so it's bound to emphasize more down-to-Earth stuff, at least early on. Maybe if it succeeds, the more fanciful elements will be gradually worked in.

I hope so, I love the mythological aspect of WW.

What's this I hear about Diana's other identity being a successful CEO? Not sure I like the sound of that; the character's never had anything like that going for her before. It's like making Clark Kent a TV reporter instead of a newspaper journalist; it just doesn't feel right somehow.
 
^No specifics yet on that, but it's a safe bet that this show is going to be aimed at a general audience that might be uncomfortable with the more outre stuff like Amazon islands and mythological deities, so it's bound to emphasize more down-to-Earth stuff, at least early on. Maybe if it succeeds, the more fanciful elements will be gradually worked in.

I hope so, I love the mythological aspect of WW.

What's this I hear about Diana's other identity being a successful CEO? Not sure I like the sound of that; the character's never had anything like that going for her before. It's like making Clark Kent a TV reporter instead of a newspaper journalist; it just doesn't feel right somehow.

I thought Clark had been a TV Reporter in Comics books at some point?

The Wonder Woman is kinda of strange. She's got 3 identities total, apparently. The CEO, who everyone knows is Wonder Woman, plus a totally secret Identity that no one knows is the CEO or Wonder Woman.
 
^No specifics yet on that, but it's a safe bet that this show is going to be aimed at a general audience that might be uncomfortable with the more outre stuff like Amazon islands and mythological deities, so it's bound to emphasize more down-to-Earth stuff, at least early on. Maybe if it succeeds, the more fanciful elements will be gradually worked in.

I hope so, I love the mythological aspect of WW.

What's this I hear about Diana's other identity being a successful CEO? Not sure I like the sound of that; the character's never had anything like that going for her before. It's like making Clark Kent a TV reporter instead of a newspaper journalist; it just doesn't feel right somehow.

I thought Clark had been a TV Reporter in Comics books at some point?

He was - for a good long while. It started in the early 70s and I think went all the way up to Crisis on Infinite Earths in '85.

The Wonder Woman is kinda of strange. She's got 3 identities total, apparently. The CEO, who everyone knows is Wonder Woman, plus a totally secret Identity that no one knows is the CEO or Wonder Woman.

I think it was originally presented in reviews as strange but it seems much more clear cut at the moment. Diana is the superhero Wonder Woman, who also manages a company which deals with her public relations. Basically it's the same as in the current comics where she is Wonder Woman, who everyone knows is Ambassador Diana of Themyscira. And like in recent comics, she maintains a secret identity, Diana Prince, that allows her to walk among normal people as one of their own.
 
What's this I hear about Diana's other identity being a successful CEO? Not sure I like the sound of that; the character's never had anything like that going for her before. It's like making Clark Kent a TV reporter instead of a newspaper journalist; it just doesn't feel right somehow.

Even aside from the fact that Clark was a TV anchor for a while, it's not a good analogy. Clark Kent has always been a reporter, of one sort or another, for the past 73 years. But Wonder Woman's civilian role has gone from military nurse to secretary to intelligence officer to boutique owner to UN translator/guide to UN Crisis Bureau agent to NASA astronaut to ambassador and inspirational lecturer to fast-food worker to Greek goddess of truth to activist/author to government agent. There is no single civilian career that's as fundamental to the definition of Wonder Woman/Diana the way journalism is for Superman/Clark. Corporate executive is no stranger than some of her other civilian roles.
 
What's this I hear about Diana's other identity being a successful CEO? Not sure I like the sound of that; the character's never had anything like that going for her before. It's like making Clark Kent a TV reporter instead of a newspaper journalist; it just doesn't feel right somehow.

Give 'em a break, they're trying to make this interesting. :)
 
I wonder why they just didn't go the ambassador route with WW.

I imagine they are trying to avoid some of the more blatant gender politics of Wonder Woman. As soon as you have her be an ambassador from an exclusively female, arguably superior culture come to enlighten the regular world - you're in some dicey territory for a general audience.
 
Fantasy fulfillment? Girls want to be CEOs, not ambassadors, I guess.
Really? I thought girls wanted to be princesses and have ponies when they grew up.
Well, ambassadors get called "Your Excellency", which I guess would be a step in the right direction.

Diana is a princess. She's the daughter of the queen of the Amazons. So she doesn't need to step in that direction, she was already there from the get-go.

As for why they made her a corporate exec instead of a diplomat, remember what I said earlier. They're not trying to be faithful to the comics. They're trying to use the comics as fodder for creating a David E. Kelley show. Maybe Kelley figured he can do his thing (rich-businesspeople shenanigans and social commentary on American culture) better with a high-powered corporate executive than with a foreign ambassador.

Or maybe the network figured that a show about corporate executives would get better demographics than a show about diplomats. I mean, has there ever been a TV series revolving around ambassadors? The only thing I can think of that comes close is Babylon 5.
 
Or maybe the network figured that a show about corporate executives would get better demographics than a show about diplomats.
Not only would it be a show about diplomats, it would be a show about diplomats from a country of warrior women who wear togas and worship Greek gods. And of course, their ambassador calls herself "Wonder Woman", as you do.

I can't see that working except as a comedy.
 
CEOs are boring. That's why Bruce gave Lucius Fox the job, so he could kick ass at night as Batman. Remember how Bruce was falling asleep in the boardroom in The Dark Knight?

I can picture the same thing happening to the people watching the WW show during the meetings. :rommie:
 
That's arrant nonsense - it's like suggesting that a show about lawyers will put people to sleep during the scenes where the characters research case law or that a cop show will lose viewership during the long scenes of the stars filling out incident reports.

Put another way, Dallas was a flop of historic proportions because it was a show about big business executives.

What's funny here is that if this show doesn't make it through a season folks here and at comic book forums will endlessly debate what the producers did wrong about the costume, or how they didn't "get the character" or nitpick minutiae when the simple fact is this: NBC is throwing a Hail Mary to even think about putting a series about a costumed superhero on broadcast network prime time in this day and age. It's virtually certain to fail - if it bombs no one in the business will be shocked and if it doesn't, then everyone involved will be called geniuses.
 
^ Sorry Dennis; the unpleasable fanbase of the Internet has spoken.

And they are displeased. :lol:

I'm anticipating the threads yet to come, complaining about how NBC mishandled promotion or scheduling for the show, or how they cancelled it just when it was starting to gel or weren't factoring in the DVR viewings (the idiots! Don't network people know anything about how TV works?!) and the inevitable suggestion that it belonged in a different venue (probably on cable).

Oh, and the outcry for a direct-to-video movie "to give them a fair chance to wrap up X/Y/Z's stories properly."

Really, the only chance this thing has is to get her out of the circus suit after a brief homage and keep her out of it - and by "only chance" I don't mean much of one.
 
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