Wonder Woman 2 Anticipation Thread

[Marynator]

Oh dear, I'm not particularly happy Chris Pine is back, I was just so disappointed how he took over her first movie, Gal doesn't need him here. Her conversation with Bruce in Justice League really makes it seem she never really got over Steve, so I don't see why they'd want to add all this confusion with him playing his own nephew (have you ever really seen someone's nephew who looked literally like a 100% clone of him?).

I don't know much about this movie so far, but I'm glad we'll have a female villain, but I'm very ugh about Chris Pine. I'm also disappointed it's a period piece, why don't we have her story moving forward, dealing with some modern issue?

 

[The Realist]

^ Interesting. I've read a ton of commentary on the first Wonder Woman, and I think you're literally the first person I've ever seen say that Pine/Trevor "took over" the movie. He's an important supporting character, to be sure, but to me, there's never any doubt or ambiguity that the movie belongs to Gadot.

 

[JD]

Oh dear, I'm not particularly happy Chris Pine is back, I was just so disappointed how he took over her first movie, Gal doesn't need him here. Her conversation with Bruce in Justice League really makes it seem she never really got over Steve, so I don't see why they'd want to add all this confusion with him playing his own nephew (have you ever really seen someone's nephew who looked literally like a 100% clone of him?).

We still don't know what exactly is going on the Trevor, all the comments about Pine playing Steve's nephew are jokes referring back to the old Lynda Carter WW TV series.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Oh dear, I'm not particularly happy Chris Pine is back, I was just so disappointed how he took over her first movie, Gal doesn't need him here. Her conversation with Bruce in Justice League really makes it seem she never really got over Steve, so I don't see why they'd want to add all this confusion with him playing his own nephew (have you ever really seen someone's nephew who looked literally like a 100% clone of him?).

I don't know much about this movie so far, but I'm glad we'll have a female villain, but I'm very ugh about Chris Pine. I'm also disappointed it's a period piece, why don't we have her story moving forward, dealing with some modern issue?

For the record, I have seen families where a person from one generation looked almost exactly like someone from two or three generations prior. It's not at all unheard of, though obviously still rare (and I've never seen it specifically in an uncle/nephew relationship, but that doesn't mean much).

 

[Marynator]

^ Interesting. I've read a ton of commentary on the first Wonder Woman, and I think you're literally the first person I've ever seen say that Pine/Trevor "took over" the movie. He's an important supporting character, to be sure, but to me, there's never any doubt or ambiguity that the movie belongs to Gadot.

I feel how Chris Pine's character was driving most of the plot, and Diana was almost like his side kick and was tagging along with him, but that whole story about trying to stop that weapon she was not even really involved in at all. And Chris got to have the heroic moment at the end, sacrificing himself to save everyone, if he hadn't been there to do that those weapons totally could've been launched. I was disappointed Wonder Woman couldn't have had all the spotlight in her own movie.

 

[Kor]

All the 1980s nostalgia these last few years makes me want to gag, but there's no way I will miss this in the theaters.

Kor

 

[Nyotarules]

For the record, I have seen families where a person from one generation looked almost exactly like someone from two or three generations prior. It's not at all unheard of, though obviously still rare (and I've never seen it specifically in an uncle/nephew relationship, but that doesn't mean much).

True, I have a first cousin that people think is my sister. Kin can have a mirror image face

 

[Jayson1]

I feel how Chris Pine's character was driving most of the plot, and Diana was almost like his side kick and was tagging along with him, but that whole story about trying to stop that weapon she was not even really involved in at all. And Chris got to have the heroic moment at the end, sacrificing himself to save everyone, if he hadn't been there to do that those weapons totally could've been launched. I was disappointed Wonder Woman couldn't have had all the spotlight in her own movie.

I think the ending only looks bad not because of his heroic act but because she got left fighting the terrible CGI baddie! If they gave her a better final battle I think things would have looked better. As for the rest of the movie I kind of like how they made her a Fish out of Water in the movie. You kind of need that modern character there as a kind of guide if your going to bring her into a real world setting.
Of course things are different with the new movie since she has been around for decades and should know the world very well by 1984 so his role does seem kind of pointless if he is even going to have a role in the movie and isn't just a quick mental fantasy or something like that. I would much rather see her teamed up with another superhero but I don't really know comics enough to know who they can use in a 1984 setting. Would it be stupid if they used Supergirl though ovious a new actress since she would be a different version from the one on the tv show. Also The Flash can travel through time and this would be a good chance to test him out and see if you do want to go ahead with a single Flash movie, afterwards.

Jason

 

[JD]

It could be fun to do a role reversal with Diana now acting as Steve's guide in the '80s. But like someone else already said that could lead to more accusations of repeating what we already got in the Captain America movies with the whole man out of time thing.

 

[The Realist]

Would it be stupid if they used Supergirl though ovious a new actress since she would be a different version from the one on the tv show.

I would love a DCEU version of Supergirl, especially now that Snyder won't be around to make her perpetually miserable and monosyllabic.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

I feel how Chris Pine's character was driving most of the plot, and Diana was almost like his side kick and was tagging along with him, but that whole story about trying to stop that weapon she was not even really involved in at all. And Chris got to have the heroic moment at the end, sacrificing himself to save everyone, if he hadn't been there to do that those weapons totally could've been launched. I was disappointed Wonder Woman couldn't have had all the spotlight in her own movie.

I've never heard anyone say they thought WW lacked a heroic sequence at the end of the film. It was all about her, but other characters must have their moments to flesh out the plot, as in the case of Captain America: The Winter Soldier being about the lead, but Fury, Black Widow and Falcon all had moments in the climax that took nothing away from the Cap story.

 

[Jayson1]

I don't fully get the Captain America feel with the idea. Captain America was a superhero and the star of 2 of his 3 movies. The third one being a secret "Avengers" movie. Trevor was a old soldier pilot but he wasn't a superhero. Wonder Woman herself feels more like Captain America than Trevor does. Super hot to a point of being unrealisitc. Both fighting in a old War War. Both kind of kind of morally perfect to also a unrealisitc level at times. Both have a lover who should be dead for the sequels unless you do something like show one as old and dying or whatever they do with him which I think won't be a big role in the movie. Both have a silly weapon that shouldn't look cool in movies but does with his shield and her lasso. Both are doing a time jump even though she is taking the long road their by actually living through those years.

Jason

 

[EmoBorg]

Maybe Wonder Woman 2's Chris Pine character could be the grandson of the original one.

Well if Steve Rogers can hook up with his WW2 girlfriend's great-niece, why not Wonder Woman hook up with her lover's grandson.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I think that @Marynator has made great points about WW sharing the heroic spotlight with Steve in WW1 and about that being a viable reason for criticizing the film. It's definitely reasonable to wonder why the female superhero can't be the centerpiece of the heroics in her own film, especially since that's what the male superheroes tend to be in theirs. The fact that no one seems to have brought this up before on the board, certainly not that I recall, and despite it sounding so self-evident in retrospect, makes the points all the greater.

Using Captain America: The First Avenger as an example, the parallel would be like having Cap still defeat the Red Skull, but then having Peggy be the one who crashes the long-range bomber into the Arctic. It's pretty clear that such an arrangement would have undercut Cap's role as the hero. The implication of @Marynator's criticism, as I understand it, is that WW1 not having been governed by a similar consideration indicates a double-standard, one worth drawing attention to.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

The parallels don't make sense for the stories they're telling, though, there's no double standard.

Captain America would be dead in the past if Peggy crashed the plane instead. The sacrifice was only meant as a tool to get him to the present.

Pine's actions in Wonder Woman 1917 showed WW the good in humanity. His death was relevant to WW's heroic journey and part of her story, and not just a plot device to connect to the big crossover.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Oh, I'm sure that Cap could have wound up in the present in any number of ways. It's not like Hydra had a shortage of gadgets.

Similarly, there are any number of ways in which Steve could have proven to Diana that there is moral strength in mankind in addition to corruptibility.

 

[dahj]

I feel how Chris Pine's character was driving most of the plot, and Diana was almost like his side kick and was tagging along with him

Can't say I agree with this at all. Steve knew where things were and where to go, but he was not really driving the plot. The entire character arc and hero's journey of the movie is entirely Diana's, while Steve remains the same throughout, he both enters and leaves the movie the same way, in a crashing plane trying to do the right thing.

I also don't agree that his heroism diminishes or "steals the spotlight" from Diana's, in fact I think it's absolutely necessary because this is a story about Diana's encounter with humanity, and that means encountering men who are capable of hate, violence and destruction, but also men who are capable of love, compassion and sacrifice.

 

[dahj]

From Gal's twitter:

 

[Marynator]

I feel differently, because Diana had no interest at all in their mission, she just wanted to find Ares, but everything about stopping this weapons development was entirely Steve's story. He was their group leader and everything, and Diana was so very extremely lucky Ares decided to come to her at the end, otherwise she would've totally been pointless to their mission except being their strongest fighter, but everything else was really driven by Chris. At least that's really how I felt when I was watching her movie.

 

[The Realist]

From Gal's twitter:

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