Why the Borg?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by Gingerbread Demon, Oct 27, 2020.

  1. Gingerbread Demon

    Gingerbread Demon Admiral Premium Member

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    Of all the old things they could have dug up for this show why the Borg?
    Also Romulans capture Borg Cube. I'd love to know how. They never even bothered to help at Wolf 359 did they?

    I mean there are a metric ton of things they could have recycled for this show but The Borg....It's probably my one pet peeve with this show and the whole AI subplot which they didn't need. Could have just been the Romulans being shady and that would have been enough.

    Sorry for the rant.
     
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  2. F. King Daniel

    F. King Daniel Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    It's literally the darkest part of Picard's life, of course they were gonna come up. His return to the cube and reunion with Hugh was amazing. Picard comes to the realisation the Borg are not monsters, but victims like he himself was.

    And the scene where Seven becomes queen for a few seconds? One of my top ten Trek moments ever.

    Picard was great use of the Borg.
     
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  3. jackoverfull

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    The Borg are an important part of Picard’s background. Also, having Jery Rina aboard, it’s what connects Picard and 7.

    Watch the show? It’s explained.

    No they didn’t. Their colonies on the frontier were assimilated back in TNG season 1, though, and we’ve seen assimilated Romulans, so it’s clear they had their dealings with them.
     
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  4. Llywela

    Llywela Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    The show tells us how, quite clearly - the Borg Cube was disabled after it captured and assimilated a Romulan ship, because one of the Romulans assimilated was a member of the Zhat Vash who had experienced the Admonition, and when that experience was assimilated, the Borg perceived it as a threat and disconnected the Cube to protect the wider Collective. The Romulans then discovered and claimed the disconnected Cube, which was effectively defenceless. There was no battle or capture by force involved.

    Worth adding that it is not the first time we've seen a Cube being cut off in this way after it assimilated something perceived as a potential threat to the wider Collective - there's precedent for that going right back to TNG.

    And as others have said, the show chose to re-visit the Borg because being assimilated by them was a massively formative trauma in Picard's life, ripe for re-examination, and because they'd identified a new angle for that examination.
     
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  5. NCC-73515

    NCC-73515 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    It could've been great, but ended up as a total waste of time and effort.
     
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  6. F. King Daniel

    F. King Daniel Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Was it? She still seized the cube, even though not at that moment.
     
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    NCC-73515 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    And where did it lead? All drones were simply ejected.
     
  8. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    This is the only reason why they appeared.

    How effective it was will depend on the viewer. I personally was OK with the Borg being relegated to a smaller role, but think the focus would have been better served on the Romulans.
     
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  9. Lord Garth

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    When you have a show about someone at the end of his life, you're going to have him looking back on the life he lived and things are going to catch up with him. His assimilation by the Borg, his failure to save Data, his not being able to do anything to save Romulus. He was going to die and had nothing left to lose.

    One of the good things about Picard reuniting with Hugh was Picard seeing how he made the right decision when it came to Hugh. He got to see what Hugh did with himself and how Hugh was helping other Ex-Borg.

    For Seven, that was the only other person who was assimilated by the Borg and came out it from the other side. So, on that level, Seven and Picard are two of a kind. They understand the experience in a way most others don't. Picard never met Seven of Nine before, so Picard was the one chance they had to compare notes. It was the one chance to examine the two different takeaways each character had decades after the fact and being freed from the Collective.
     
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    F. King Daniel Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    All the non-reclaimed ones were, but the rest survived.
     
  11. Gingerbread Demon

    Gingerbread Demon Admiral Premium Member

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    Oh haha that final episode...... Oh my.
    If Riker wasn't there they'd have been toast, him and the copypaste fleet.

    Hold on one goddamn moment. If they had that many ships to face off why couldn't they have used those ships for the refugees relocation or was that fleet built after that?
     
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    The relocation was 15 years earlier and that was a fleet of *new* ships.

    I find the size of the fleet ludicrous, but I don’t have a problem with them not existing 15 years earlier.
     
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  13. Gingerbread Demon

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    Fair enough I had forgotten about the time gap
     
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    Those were new. Not available or even built at the time.
     
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  15. Gingerbread Demon

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    Yeah I missed the time gap ..... Shows how much I was paying attention to this riveting show..... :)

    I plan to give it another try before the end of the year to see if my feelings change.

    On the bright side now Picard can play a bot trying to be human like Data wanted to all his life :)
     
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    The Borg were the ultimate villains of "Star Trek" for a full generation. Then, after Voyager seemingly defeated them in it's finale, fans were left hanging for 20 years, as "Star Trek" became obsessed with prequels. The "relaunch novels" addressed the issue, but books aren't canon for "Star Trek," and thank God for that, because what the books did with the Borg (and Seven of Nine) was.....not very satisfactory.

    Basically, if the first sequel series in 20 years didn't address the Borg, it would be a very distracting elephant in the room for the entire new series.
     
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  17. Gingerbread Demon

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    Without the fleet they may have been toast, Riker's presence was irrelevant to the matter as he wasn't even in the episode's script. Originally it would have been Admiral Clancy commanding that fleet, they only changed it because when they were making the arrangements to use Disco's bridge, they learned Jonathan Frakes was in studio anyway to direct the episode of Disco that was being filmed at the time and figured, "okay, I guess Riker can be in command of the fleet instead."
     
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  19. jackoverfull

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    Yep. Riker wasn’t even originally planned when Picard started filming, it took some convincing to have Frakes come back to acting (something he hasn’t been doing habitually for a while now).
     
  20. Gingerbread Demon

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    The more you know.... That's interesting.

    Also he and Troi became futuristic hippies or something.
     
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