The Mandalorian is safe, comfort food.
Why so much negativity?
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Now even I'm curious as to where you are getting these statistics from, cause it sure does seem like you're just pulling them outta your arse.
I got 99 problems, but DISCO ain't one.
Well, now The Book of Boba Fett is being called a failure by a lot of people on social media because of some Space Vespa bikes and Boba isn't the ruthless badass they wanted him to be. So yes, Star Wars series are getting their share of hate, too.
She did shoot Spaceball troopers and barely had to aim to hit them all.
I'm just kinda ambivalent to new Star Trek. I watched two and a half episodes of Discovery and realised I didn't care so I turned it off. There's no Trek series I love completely, I think they are all flawed and there's no series I've seen every episode of. I'd say I like 50% of Star Trek. At the moment I'm watching Enterprise episodes that aired 20 years ago, so maybe in 20 years time I'll have a different opinion.
Frustration is kicking in.
It's the nature of the topic.
When your demographic is being pushed from a fandom, it kind of breeds resentment.
And it's one thing if it's just being pushed away to chase after a younger demographic, it's strange, it's different, it's not my pace.
I could agree this might be the case with lower decks(I don't watch it).
It's that the production companies being supported are known for their choppy style over substance productions. Let's pretend I'm willing to meet you half way, and watch a show like the 100. The problem is corporate decision making has already decided they have zero interest in substance. And while there's always been corporations etc, it hasn't been the case that the bulk of everything is owned by the richest corporations on earth who are also heavily involved in analytics etc, sifting through everyones data etc, and determining who and how they want to alienate people.(people like myself are hard to market to because our lives are relatively fixed)
It's also the nature of subscription services. My demographic tends to pirate or spend most of their money on video games etc.
And it's the structure of how it is going down. It's the blatant actions that are gonna alienate my peer group even more.
Streaming services don't work directly on add revenue. They work by getting a person to sign up for a service. In our case we have amazon because it's how we buy everything. What I watch is irrelevant as long as they feel their is enough content that I won't cancel.
There's good reason to think once they've monopolized the market that shows like the expanse won't come about again.
As soon as baby yoda wasn't part of the picture it was bound to have an uphill battle.
I'd also add the actor isn't pedro pascal, man is crazy talented.
Without those two characters you're basically starting out from zero, so far it's man wearing cool helmet, in the desert.
Baby yoda was an amazing gimmick because you could have a family dynamic of child and father, without the baggage that comes along with a real life baby. Baby yoda didn't die when papa went for supplies. He didn't get traumatized from battle, he wasn't just helpless but also had power of his own. It's the ultimate dad fantasy, you get to have a kid yet still live the life of an unattached bachelor, women were logically attached to the reciprocal viewpoint of having a bad boy man being a father without having to worry about the contradiction between his selfishness and his responsibilities.
EDIT: A big problem for making shows that appeal across demographics is balancing family orientated characters. Often the kids are background burdens, or alternatively Wesley crushers. Being a parent means you need to hold back, being without a child means the consequence of your actions have less meaning. Mando had the highest stakes possible on a small scale, while also being free from the responsibilities of an actual baby.
That is a revolution in story telling, and it has ended.
It allowed them to write stories that can't be done otherwise.
How hard do you think it is to make a man always wearing a helmet appear sexy?, pedro pascal is the GOAT!
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Talks too much? Yeah, that can be kind of a problem when there's work to be done.
Fuck. Who cares? If you like it, watch it. If you don't, then don't. Pretty simple equation.
DSC isn't as good.
There. I said it.
But hey, to each their own. From my experience both Trek and Star Wars get a lot of hate from butthurt fans who don't see their specific brand of each replicated in new films and series. I like The Mandalorian more because it's more consistently entertaining to me, but I'm not going to microanalyze why and then get locked in endless debates about my chosen standard.
There. I said it.
But hey, to each their own. From my experience both Trek and Star Wars get a lot of hate from butthurt fans who don't see their specific brand of each replicated in new films and series. I like The Mandalorian more because it's more consistently entertaining to me, but I'm not going to microanalyze why and then get locked in endless debates about my chosen standard.
Yep. And we went through the same thing again when the 2009 movie came out and we were told constantly that only shallow newbies who liked "pew-pew" and explosions could possibly enjoy the movie -- and that all "true fans" were obliged to hate it. Along with, yes, way too much snobbish sneering at "the masses."
It got so that I pretty much stopped reading a post once somebody used the m-word.
What demographic are you talking about?
Male Mid 30s, without children, willing to spend large sums of money media etc. With that money ending up in the hands of game developers(who are increasingly turning us into addicts). (Since I got married 3 years ago, I've spend about 2 grand on my ps4, and another 1.5 grand on hockey subscriptions and merch) When my dad was in his thirties they needed to create shows in order to sell pickup trucks. With subscription services the whole equation has changed.
When I look at my friends it's clear their money is gonna dive straight back into video games.
By greater extension I guess you could say the Joe Rogan demographic. Open to psychedelic experiences/liberal ideas, but also open to guns/law and order etc, not necessarily liberal/conservative, but big on the idea of independence, especially from certain kinds of politics. We're too rebellious to buy into brands, which means it's harder to sell us Avenger's branded underwear.
It isn't that content for my demographic doesn't exist, it's that it's receding into a silo, at odds with the greater population.
And again the people at CBS/Netflix/Disney/Amazon know this. If I'm single I'll pirate, if I'm married you need to please my wife too.
You get a few bread crumbs here and there, Dune being an example(which underperforms), but it's been a spiraling trend since streaming became big.
Well,if there is no money in it pointless to spend it making it.
Objectively, I think The Mandalorian is a better show, but that really doesn't mean anything. The Last Jedi is 50/50. Book of Boba Fett is getting some hate right now. Not everybody is going to like everything.
Because if there's anything that displays one's integrity as a psychologist, it's making a conclusive mental health diagnosis about a non-existent person based on 3-5 non-interactive observations of significantly less than 42 minutes each.
Also, Breaking Bad and House and countless other popular shows and movies with narcissistic protagonists would like to say "hello".
You edit TV shows frame-by-frame to point out and eliminate certain personality traits that bother you, huh? I think I've identified some of those extreme personality traits you were looking for.
Cool story, dudebro.
The "Joe Rogan demographic." God help us.
Dune was fantastic. Not for anything related to whatever the hell all of the above was, though.
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