Why so much negativity?
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I've tried to read through this thread. Lord - what is it - two days old and already 8 pages?
I'll try to have my say on the 'negativity' surrounding newer Trek. In basis, it's been done before and often better. There's hardly any actual new ground left without heading way off course into uncharted territory.
I never was much of a fan of Star Trek Voyager - not the fault of the cast. The show just didn't work for me. Too much 'Treknobabble' in too many episodes. Some of the stories were just outright ... crap. Star Trek Enterprise (or just Enterprise) was in some ways better, in others worse. They tried to do something different but, it was definitely starting to feel like meekly going where everyone's already gone before.
The new shows just don't have anything that interests me. I haven't (and probably never will) waste a penny on merchandise or DVDs - won't even bother to subscribe to Paramount+ (or whatever they will call it next week). It's not meant for us old farts - it's full of (old expressions) Whiz-Bang effects and Wowwie moments trying to impress people and without a solid story to back it up - it falls flat.
I have the original series (still immensely watchable) TNG, DS9 and a nice selection of movies that do work. Are they all perfect stories? Of course not - never said any of it was. There are some stinkers in every version of Trek but, the average is better in the older shows.
I'll try to have my say on the 'negativity' surrounding newer Trek. In basis, it's been done before and often better. There's hardly any actual new ground left without heading way off course into uncharted territory.
I never was much of a fan of Star Trek Voyager - not the fault of the cast. The show just didn't work for me. Too much 'Treknobabble' in too many episodes. Some of the stories were just outright ... crap. Star Trek Enterprise (or just Enterprise) was in some ways better, in others worse. They tried to do something different but, it was definitely starting to feel like meekly going where everyone's already gone before.
The new shows just don't have anything that interests me. I haven't (and probably never will) waste a penny on merchandise or DVDs - won't even bother to subscribe to Paramount+ (or whatever they will call it next week). It's not meant for us old farts - it's full of (old expressions) Whiz-Bang effects and Wowwie moments trying to impress people and without a solid story to back it up - it falls flat.
I have the original series (still immensely watchable) TNG, DS9 and a nice selection of movies that do work. Are they all perfect stories? Of course not - never said any of it was. There are some stinkers in every version of Trek but, the average is better in the older shows.
That's hardly new.
Lets just say people who nod along, when a company spends .01 % of their revenue on a solar panel farm. Because it's "progress".
This becomes a cycle of diminishing returns, the more you feel you get ripped off the more you tune out. It's a cycle, the more my dollar disappears the more it won't reappear.
Were entering an age of a digitally segregated society.
That's crazy. Have you tried DMT?
But what is new is the part where quasi rebellious men in their 30s are no longer watching pick up truck commercials on television. They no longer watch certain news networks, etc.
It's the beginning of a digitally segregated society, and every year the avoidance of each other rises.
In the good old days, tv networks needed to have wider demographic appeal. Adds sold television not the person paying for the cable bill.
Which meant only the craziest of studios would walk away from middle aged single men.
If you don't believe me look at the HBO catalog of the last 20 years. The band of brothers, The pacific, The Wire, The Sopranos, etc demographic is vanishing.
Nah, they're just growing older.
Growing? I'm speficially talking about the content that was being made in the mid to late 2000s,being fundamentally different from the content being produced in the last 10 years.
Soprano's, a war drama, etc wouldn't get made in this day and age. Or at least not in the ways that it did then.
That's gone and people have choice.
Which has zero to do with assertion that there is an objective standard in art. The goal posts shifted so much we went from water polo to snowboarding.
And we all know snowboarders are narcissists as are their friends.
It's not trolling. It's called having an opinion. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it trolling.
The whole point was that there are objective reasons, why art won't appeal to some people and will appeal to others.
It isn't just some random subjective experience that has no rhyme or reason.
I'm saying that quality certain areas have suffered in order to go after the target demo that I don't fit into.
My demo isn't huge on the idea of their protag crying etc. It's not because it's against the law etc, it's because it predictably doesn't appeal.
Because again these studios are going out of their way to alienate my demographic.
It's predictable we don't relate to crying, jumpy plots, or a burning of canon/continuity. We'll tolerate 1/3 etc but not all at once.
growing older. I forgot a word.
What makes you think they won't get made?
Well you've somehow managed to turn a Star Trek discussion into something that looks more like the Unibomber Manifesto, so, congrats, I guess?
I'm speficially referring to the idea that 35 years old who watched the Soprano's are now in their 50s. The 35 year olds of today are not watching shows like the sopranos. Instead they look back to shows made for their parents and wonder why that is the only thing they find appealing.
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