Why so much negativity?

[F. King Daniel]

I see a lot of negativity towards the new Trek on here and from other Trek fans. I guess I want to ask, why? While the new shows are not TNG and DS9 quality, I do find them better than Voyager and Enterprise. The most hated show seems to be Discovery. I like it. I think Lower Decks is fantastic. I really enjoy Prodigy, eventhough I am way older than the targeted audience. Picard was a little disappointing, but still a very good Trek show. The first season looks like a masterpiece compared to TNG's first season.

I'd watch Discovery and Picard over TNG and DS9. For every "Yesterday's Enterprise" there were a dozen "Code of Honor" or "Aquiel" -calibre episodes, something nostalgia seems to wash away. The new shows are far more consistent, IMHO.

Here's an angry fan in the early 2000's:

Here's a fan in 1980 furious that they changed an alien makeup design in The Motion Picture:

Fandom never changes. The real measure of success is if they keep making something. And they're making a LOT of new Star Trek, so someone must be watching and enjoying

 

[Lord Garth]

The Joe Rogans out there have enough that appeals to them. Too much, I'd say. I'm glad current Star Trek isn't one of them.

 

[SalyutBuran]

Well,if there is no money in it pointless to spend it making it.

I just spent $3500 in 3 years on video games and hockey. I neither watched hockey, nor played video games up until that point.

I feel into that demographics, it wasn't my natural place.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I just spent $3500 in 3 years on video games and hockey. I neither watched hockey, nor played video games up until that point.

I feel into that demographics, it wasn't my natural place.

So out of the blue you became a gamer and a hockey fan????

 

[SalyutBuran]

Because if there's anything that displays one's integrity as a psychologist, it's making a conclusive mental health diagnosis about a non-existent person based on 3-5 non-interactive observations of significantly less than 42 minutes each.

"conclusive mental health diagnosis", I quite specifically stated that it didn't mean they were one, but that they displayed an excessive volume of those traits and not much else. And in the context of setting up a show for a greater audience first impressions mean a whole lot.

Also, Breaking Bad and House and countless other popular shows and movies with narcissistic protagonists would like to say "hello".

"popular shows" being the word, as it's clear where they took their lead.

Problem is explaining how that fits into a show like trek.

In House it was the context, it was because he was the only one, in an environment where people had a more traditional more mode of behavior. He was a professional who was both shocking and yet well suited to his environment, because you could really believe he was great at his job.

Breaking Bad is another example, a character starting from a position of respect.

Burnham starts out in prison scrubs. The crew is dystopian, it wasn't just her it was the entire atmosphere.

You edit TV shows frame-by-frame to point out and eliminate certain personality traits that bother you, huh? I think I've identified some of those
extreme personality traits you were looking for.

Traits that bother a wide large group of people actually. I looked at what people said, especially with regards to negative tone/nasty personalities/petty imature bickering, and things like a ship spinning for absolutely no reason.

I gave discovery a chance, I didn't just shit on it because it was different.

I took what I knew about the thing and tried to do my best. And I promise you fixing those initial flaws wasn't near as hard as you imagine.

40 hours by 1 person for 10 episodes, is a good indication of how much they had to work with, and how exactly they screwed it up.

Problem is they over compensated for the first season short comings by going off kilter in an entirely different direction.

Cool story, dudebro.

The "Joe Rogan demographic." God help us.

You might want to think about what that demographic is, before you assume it's just a bunch of meatheads.

Lex Freidman isn't talking about kettlebells and bongs, and yet somehow his overlap with the rogan fanbase is massive.

You might want to think of the consequences of having 51%+ of men from ages 25-45 moving into an environment because they don't feel like they belong in popular/social media landscape.

Again this is the context, the joe rogan demographic isn't overlaping with the STD audience. And you can see that studios are interested in accelerating that trend.

Dune was fantastic. Not for anything related to whatever the hell all of the above was, though.

It's directly related. For starters it took an IP and didn't turn it into something it wasn't.

It wasn't teen drama dune etc. It acknowledge a demographic and went after it.

It did so many things right, so many things anyone other than Dennei VIllenue wouldn't be able to do.

 

[DaveyNY]

I just spent $3500 in 3 years on video games and hockey. I neither watched hockey, nor played video games up until that point.

I feel into that demographics, it wasn't my natural place.

Obsessive-Compulsive, thy name rhymes with salute-raisin-bran.


Just wait till you see how much you'll spend over a life time.


BTW: It very much sounds like you are complaining about your own spending habits.
Perhaps taking your own advice about a psychological evaluation is in order.

 

[SalyutBuran]

So out of the blue you became a gamer and a hockey fan????

Yep because I was quite literally so fed up with the rest of our media.

You might want to think about what the world looked like on tv and media in 2019.

And why I felt pushed out, my attitude was instead of complaining move elsewhere.

 

[SalyutBuran]

Obsessive-Compulsive, thy name rhymes with salute-raisin-bran.


Just wait till you see how much you'll spend over a life time.


BTW: It very much sounds like you are complaining about your own spending habits.
Perhaps taking your own advice about a psychological evaluation is in order.

I"m complaining that the money could of went towards sci fi media.

I'm in the peak years of spending money on entertainment. My demographics money is being ignored.

I was a sci fi nerd all of my life, and now I'm a hockey/video game guy.

It shouldn't have to go like that.

And again this is quietly happening or loudly, but when people explain their issues they just get labeled as being unreasonable etc.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Burnham starts out in prison scrubs.

I thought she started off in a desert robe and a Starfleet uniform. The prison scrubs aren't until episode three.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Yep because I was quite literally so fed up with the rest of our media.

You might want to think about what the world looked like on tv and media in 2019.

And why I felt pushed out, my attitude was instead of complaining move elsewhere.

Please, enlighten me. I'm a pretty active consumer of genre film and TV, but maybe I missed something.

 

[SalyutBuran]

I thought she started off in a desert robe and a Starfleet uniform. The prison scrubs aren't until episode three.

You're right lol, I forgot they existed, I couldn't really do much with them.

 

[DaveyNY]

I'm in the peak years of spending money on entertainment. My demographics money is being ignored.

Hardly, what's really happening is that you are deluding yourself into thinking that you and your ilk are the only important demographic that TV producers should consider.


Hate to break it to ya, but you ain't.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I"m complaining that the money could of went towards sci fi media.

I'm in the peak years of spending money on entertainment. My demographics money is being ignored.

I was a sci fi nerd all of my life, and now I'm a hockey/video game guy.

It shouldn't have to go like that.

And again this is quietly happening or loudly, but when people explain their issues they just get labeled as being unreasonable etc.

Your demographic or just you? I'm pretty sure folks in their mid-thirties are consuming Star Wars, Star Trek, Marvel and other genre media.

 

[cooleddie74]

I don't want no scrubs. A scrub angers Klingons and that's too much!

 

[SalyutBuran]

Please, enlighten me. I'm a pretty active consumer of genre film and TV, but maybe I missed something.

For starters a certain Californiaism that turns off 51% of the demographic by default. That's by default, automatically without question turning off half of the demographic. But it doesn't just turn them off it increasingly expands to people who were very much of the california types for almost the entirety of their lives.

Then there's the milking of IP's which is fine when it actually delivers, but it pretty much is structured to bleed the IP and leave you nothing.

Which is paradoxical when people like myself are in our peak years of spending. Getting me to show up doesn't work, if you don't deliver.

 

[fireproof78]

Your demographic or just you? I'm pretty sure folks in their mid-thirties are consuming Star Wars, Star Trek, Marvel and other genre media.

Mid 30s here. Yup.

I just spent $3500 in 3 years on video games and hockey. I neither watched hockey, nor played video games up until that point.

I feel into that demographics, it wasn't my natural place.

That's how it works. There's no natural fan base.

 

[SalyutBuran]

Your demographic or just you? I'm pretty sure folks in their mid-thirties are consuming Star Wars, Star Trek, Marvel and other genre media.

Consuming some sure, but not in proportion to the money available.

These movies are making the most of their money off families and kids.

There's a reason why movies like the Joker become smash hits, rated R can self if it is allowed to exist.

 

[Nerys Myk]

For starters a certain Californiaism that turns off 51% of the demographic by default.

The what?????

california types

Who? What's a "California type"? We talking surfers? IT? Yoga instructors?

Then there's the milking of IP's which is fine when it actually delivers, but it pretty much is structured to bleed the IP and leave you nothing.

I'm there to be entertained for 30 minutes to two hours. If that happens I got what I wanted.

Which is paradoxical when people like myself are in our peak years of spending. Getting me to show up doesn't work, if you don't deliver.

Sure it does. Because by showing up they got your "dollar".

 

[SalyutBuran]

Mid 30s here. Yup.

So are you I want to move to Texas type?

I said my demographic, I'm not really even allowed to acknowledge the part of the anti californiaisms.

That's how it works. There's no natural fan base.

Modern marketing is based around targeting demographics of people and types of consumers.

It's so radical of an effect people are confusing a societal shift with a change in marketing?

I'm not gonna mention 2016 directly, but do you remember the shift from 2013ish to 2016? How all of a sudden things changed?

 

[Nerys Myk]

I said my demographic, I'm not really even allowed to acknowledge the part of the anti californiaisms.

Again with that word? Allowed by who? You on a watchlist or something?