Why hasn't DS9 been represented in NuTrek?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Deep Space Nine' started by ELCHawk, May 30, 2022.

  1. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Anybody have complaints now? DS9 has not been represented and the peasants...rejoiced? Probably not...:whistle:
     
  2. brandnewfan

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    Nope, I'm happy now :)

    They've ignored DS9 so much on NuTrek, so it was nice to finally have some representation.
     
  3. Sci

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    Hmmm.

    DS9 references in modern streaming ST:
    • DIS S1: Depiction of Kol of the House of Kor as classist is consistent with Kor himself being classist in DS9 "Once More Unto the Breach"
    • DIS S1: Continues DS9's identification of the Empire established in TOS "Mirror Mirror" as the Terran Empire
    • DIS S2: Features Section 31 in prominent season-long plot
    • DIS "Forget Me Not" features the Trill, re-creates the Caves of Mak'ala set from DS9, and establishes Adira Tal and Gray Tal
    • DIS S3: USS Nog is featured
    • DIS S4: Federation President Laira Rillak is a Human/Cardassian/Bajoran hybrid
    • DIS "Choose to Live: The Trill zhian'tara ritual from DS9 "Facets" is used
    • DIS S4: Ferengi appear as background characters
    • DIS "All In:" A Changeling appears for the first time since DS9 ended
    • PIC "Stardust City Rag" establishes that Quark's Bar has become a franchise with locations on multiple planets, including Freecloud, and that Quark is famous enough that Rios uses his name as part of a cover story. This newest episode of LD gives us some backstory on how Quark managed to get so successful as to open off-station franchises
    • PIC "Penance" features several DS9 Easter Eggs, including
      the skulls of the alternate timeline's General Martok, Gul Dukat, and Grand Nagus Zek, and references to General Sisko and General Miles O'Brien
    • PIC S2 in general features the existence of Sanctuary Districts in 2024 Los Angeles
    • And then of course LD has been full of DS9 references, including flashbacks to Mariner's time aboard the station in S1, appearances by Jeffrey Combs, appearances by J.G. Hertzler as Martok, Tendi and Rutherford putting together models of the station together, and various verbal references to the show... and of course the revelation that in the distant future, Miles O'Brien is considered the most important Starfleet officer who ever lived
     
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  4. brandnewfan

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    I'm talking about clear, visual representation from the actors, not simple easter eggs. This is the first time we've gotten it with DS9, while Voyager and TNG have each gotten a whole slew of them.
     
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    I'm really miffed they didn't get Colm Meany to show up in this episode :D
     
  6. Bad Thoughts

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    Would you please put these under spoiler tags? They are specific to episodes (and not part of the promotional material, like Sanctuary District) that aired less than 6 months ago.
     
  7. Bad Thoughts

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    I tend to think that the easter eggs referencing DS9 are more cynical, doing little to bring DS9 story elements into new episodes. For instance, Section 31 seems mostly divorced from what was established in DS9--its examination of the complexities of power--in order to introduce huge conspiracy theories.
    Sanctuary districts were basically stopped overs. Picard did little to address the injustices, and no narrative regarding refugees or immigrants has been resolved.
    I'll go so far as to say that the Bajoran tablet in the Picard teaser should be a bait and switch.
     
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    Okay, but this isn't the first time we've got that. We have previously seen appearances by Jeffrey Combs and J.G. Hertzler. We also got to see a holographic recreation of Odo in PROD using archive audio.

    I don't think VOY got a "whole slew" of them. They got Janeway on PROD, Seven on PIC, a Chakotay cameo on PROD and a Paris cameo on LD. TNG is the only one I would describe as getting a "slew," since they're all coming back.

    Meanwhile, DS9 has gotten more representation in modern ST than ENT, which as near as I can remember hasn't gotten any actors coming back except Combs.
     
  9. fireproof78

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    Don't bother. It isn't a desire for references but full on fan service that is craved.
     
  10. brandnewfan

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    You’re right. It’s extremely unlikely (like less than 1% chance) that we’ll ever get a continuation of DS9 like TNG is getting, or like Voyager is rumored to be getting (and already has in a way with Prodigy). So if not a full on continuation, then guest appearances similar to what we got this week will suffice.
     
  11. Bad Thoughts

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    Arguably, most fans were satisfied that the story of each series had ceased to evolve. Even Discovery didn't do much to change that despite continuing the Spock story. ST:Picard broke the status quo in a significantly by bringing back legacy characters from several series. Now it is no longer a complete pipe dream to ask for a Sisko or TPol or Porthos series, just a matter of vociferously advocating for one.
     
  12. fireproof78

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    Yup.
     
  13. somebuddyX

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    Why no representation of Star Trek VI in Nu-Trek? Where's Genital Knees and Shapeshifter woman? Where's the bunk beds and tea cups? Where's my Colonel Worf spinoff series?
     
  14. Oddish

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    Starfleet uses Naval ranks, not Army ones. Were he at equivalent rank, Worf would be either a commander or a captain.
     
  15. Paul755

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    I think he’s talking about Worfs ancestor from The Undiscovered Country that represented Kirk and Bones at their trial.
     
  16. somebuddyX

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    Yep.
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  17. Oddish

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    I really need to rewatch STVI.
     
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  18. at Quark's

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    It's an interesting question though. Why are these analogies drawn from the Navy, and not the army or the airforce? Why are starships 'ships' and not 'craft' or 'vehicles'?

    I could understand the idea of large, (semi-)autonomous vessels with a localized command structure on board of them to lead to associate in that direction, but our real-life space craft (with tiny crews) are nothing like that, and we still often call those 'spaceships'.
     
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  19. Mr. Laser Beam

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    There was no need to directly address the issue of Sanctuary Districts in PIC because the Bell Riots were just months away.

    Ships that fly in space are still ships, so naturally a spacegoing fleet would lend itself well to Navy-style ranks.
     
  20. kkt

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    Calling them ships makes sense to me. They are traveling through a dangerous environment, often for months and sometimes for years, with the only thing they can count on being what they bring with them.

    Airplanes are flown for hours, sometimes days in some extreme cases (with air to air refueling), but they are dependent on ground support for everything from navigational beacons to maintenance, and in the short term.