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Why does this show seem determined not to acknowledge "Voyager?"

What was the catalyst for Seven leaving Starfleet?


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The Borg terrified me as a kid. At least the ones in Voyager and First Contact. TNG not so much.
That's because VOY/FC Borg can assimilate you with a quick injection. TNG Borg can be disabled by pulling one of their cables, and even though the concept of assimilation was established in TNG it was shown as needed to be done over hours while in captivity, not via quick injection.
 
TNG didn't have Spock as a regular character, and suddenly being a space vigilante with little to no explanation. Imagine if they did, and then went on to revisit Charlie X, with Spock never giving any hint that he'd served on a ship that encountered him before. Would TOS fans not find that a bit distracting?


You're acting like you speak for TOS fans. Pretty sure almost all of us are TOS fans, on this forum, but thanks for holding on to our membership cards.

7 was not a Starfleet officer. She served on Voyager out of necessity. Expecting her to become another kind of drone, in this case some static TNG character (which doesn't seem to exist, if you look at what has happened in the story line of every TNG character shown, so far. ) you have as some idealized Platonic UFP Person. The galaxy post-Dominion War, post-Borg and post-Romulus is a very differnet place. She adapted to it in 7 fashion, finding where she is capable of doing the most good in her own way.

The kind of static show filled with mountains of backstory exposition is exactly the kind of show I would never want to see. Maybe there's enough of you true fans out there (count those membership cards) that Paramount will give it a shot.
 
@Christopher is absolutely qualified to speak authoritatively on matters of Canon; in fact, he's one of the only posters here who actually can do so, because he's a Star Trek creator (of licensed fiction) and is therefore obligated to understand and know Trek Canon on an intimate level.

For the vast majority of most fandoms, arguing about Canon is essentially arguing about nothing.
 
@Christopher is absolutely qualified to speak authoritatively on matters of Canon; in fact, he's one of the only posters here who actually can do so, because he's a Star Trek creator (of licensed fiction) and is therefore obligated to understand and know Trek Canon on an intimate level.

For the vast majority of most fandoms, arguing about Canon is essentially arguing about nothing.
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@Christopher is absolutely qualified to speak authoritatively on matters of Canon;
Authoritatively? Really?

in fact, he's one of the only posters here who actually can do so,
Everyone who watched the episodes and movies can do the same because that's all it takes to know the canon, it's not some super special skill you only learn once you write trek lit.
 
...Out of my way, PIC writers, here comes the JLP Canon Police! :devil:
Now I'm picturing a bunch of bald guys running around with this as their main hand weapon ...
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For everyone making fun of my last comment, I refer you to the following:
Canon only matters to the creators of a given property; to everyone else, it's a meaningless and irrelevant concept*

IOW, as a writer of licensed Star Trek tie-in fiction, @Christopher is obligated to know and understand Canon on a level that your normal 'run of the mill' fan isn't, which grants him more authority on Canon subjects than your typical fan.

* Paraphrased from a comment from Lucasfilm Story Group member Matt Martin
 
For everyone making fun of my last comment, I refer you to the following:
Canon only matters to the creators of a given property; to everyone else, it's a meaningless and irrelevant concept*

IOW, as a writer of licensed Star Trek tie-in fiction, @Christopher is obligated to know and understand Canon on a level that your normal 'run of the mill' fan isn't, which grants him more authority on Canon subjects than your typical fan.

* Paraphrased from a comment from Lucasfilm Story Group member Matt Martin
At the end of the day canon's importance is proportional to its value (or perceived value) in sales figures. In the case of franchises, the very concept of a franchise is based on new works inherently bringing in an audience that is attracted to it based on its perceived connection to past hit works in said franchise, an audience that wouldn't be there if the work had no connection to old ones.

The video game series Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest are unique cases where the franchises aren't built on any sort of overall canon or continuity, as each new work is standalone. However, even this sometimes falls back on "canon" when Final Fantasy's sales figures slumped, they then relied on direct sequels or remakes (Final Fantasy 7 remake and all the FF7 works, the 2 sequels to Final Fantasy 13) to hold onto that built in audience.
 
That's because VOY/FC Borg can assimilate you with a quick injection. TNG Borg can be disabled by pulling one of their cables, and even though the concept of assimilation was established in TNG it was shown as needed to be done over hours while in captivity, not via quick injection.

I'm surprised they never addressed that with a simple throwaway line about how the Borg must have assimilated some new tech involving nanobotsgenesprobes.
 
I'm surprised they never addressed that with a simple throwaway line about how the Borg must have assimilated some new tech involving nanobotsgenesprobes.
It's been retconned that Picard was also assimilated via nanoprobes, as Jurati says in Season 1 of Picard that she studied on how Picard was assimilated and described it as happening that way.
 
Not sure....but I think the safest, most rational thing to do is assume it's a personal attack on fans of VOY, done totally out of spite.
spearheaded by Jeri Ryan herself to ensure Kate Mulgrew doesn't come within 10 miles of her as revenge for her treatment on Voyager. However Kate caught on and is now ensuring that Prodigy decanonizes Picard with its ultra confusing time travel story.

Let's pile on imaginary speculation!
 
I wonder if you're aware that I wrote the Borg-centric novel Greater than the Sum. While the Queen did not appear in it, I did discuss her nature and role within the Collective as a central coordinating node, and a replaceable one -- basically a specialized drone installed with what was established in earlier novels as the Royal Protocol, the Collective's core programming. Now, every professionally published Trek novel needs to be approved by the studio's licensing people, who are experts on Trek continuity and make sure our books are consistent with it. And they were perfectly fine with me and my fellow authors portraying the Queen as effectively a replaceable CPU for the Collective rather than a "ruler." So I literally have official confirmation that my "opinions" align with canon -- at least insofar as that canon aligns with itself, which no large canon does perfectly.
@Christopher is absolutely qualified to speak authoritatively on matters of Canon; in fact, he's one of the only posters here who actually can do so, because he's a Star Trek creator (of licensed fiction) and is therefore obligated to understand and know Trek Canon on an intimate level.

For the vast majority of most fandoms, arguing about Canon is essentially arguing about nothing.
For everyone making fun of my last comment, I refer you to the following:
Canon only matters to the creators of a given property; to everyone else, it's a meaningless and irrelevant concept*

IOW, as a writer of licensed Star Trek tie-in fiction, @Christopher is obligated to know and understand Canon on a level that your normal 'run of the mill' fan isn't, which grants him more authority on Canon subjects than your typical fan.

* Paraphrased from a comment from Lucasfilm Story Group member Matt Martin
So, just to be clear, the argument here is that since Christopher wrote a novel (Greater than the Sum) in 2008 that referenced the Borg Queen, and no one from on-high vetoed it at the time, that gives him some authority in perpetuity to determine what should be the proper canon interpretation of the Borg Queen's role in the Collective not only over-and-above all fans who have access to the same shows, films, and peripheral materials he does, but also over-and-above the current showrunners who determine what is or is not canon in 2022?

All that tells me is that in 2008 nothing Christopher wrote about the Borg Queen was going to interfere with that grand total of nothing that was on TV or in film at the time. The next film was still over a year away, set in a different universe, and had nothing to do with the Borg. The next series wasn't until 2017. I highly doubt they were super concerned with the depiction of the Borg Queen in tie-in fiction at that time beyond not stepping on the toes of other Trek tie-in novelists. So trying to use that as an appeal to authority over all depictions of the Borg Queen in TV and film from 1996-2022 is nonsense.
 
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For everyone making fun of my last comment, I refer you to the following:
Canon only matters to the creators of a given property; to everyone else, it's a meaningless and irrelevant concept*

IOW, as a writer of licensed Star Trek tie-in fiction, @Christopher is obligated to know and understand Canon on a level that your normal 'run of the mill' fan isn't, which grants him more authority on Canon subjects than your typical fan.

* Paraphrased from a comment from Lucasfilm Story Group member Matt Martin
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@Gov Kodos Is that really necessary to do to another poster? If this is how discussions are going to be handled, rather than each side posting their respective viewpoints, then... :(
 
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