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Your honest opinion on the Berman era

Do you like the Berman era?

  • I HATE THE BERMAN ERA

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Berman era is far superior to Kurtzman for me. TNG was 80 years frim the tos movie timeline amd we can clearly see things have advanced. The D is much larger and spacious. Luxurious to be honest. The brudgr has become much more streamlined and simplified. No more multiple stations around the bridge. Just the stations directly behind the command chairs and the railing controls. The ops is still in the front. We holodecks, better transporters. When the reached back to the nx-01 its really primitive. Small and cramped. Primitive plasma screens everywhere. No food replicators. Every era we see changes from STE to TOS to the TOS movies to the TNG era shows. The kurtzman era went back before tos and everything looks more advanced than the Berman era. We get to the 32nd century. At first we see a guy at the last starfleet post near earth. Everything looks and feels so different. Chairs with no legs. The computers look much more advanced. Everything he uses builds up with programmable matter. Everything. I liked that look. It truly felt more advanced. Books ship was also made of it. Than we get to SFA and programmable matter is now supposedly expensive and hard to come by. We rarely see it. Everything looks primitive. All the screens are just giant plasma built into walls and in the stations. The bridge of the Athena looks no different than all the other bridges we have seen. We are about 930 years from STD and SNW. 790 years from Picard and nothing seems much different in SFA. I find it hard to believe. All the kurtzman shows look similar in set design including the section 31 movie. . Also the stories are pretty forgettable except for the early season of SNW and picard season 3(which by the way got part if the tech right except the viewscreens were SNW and STD style). Bermans team just did much better.
 
No more multiple stations around the bridge.
And what about all other bridges we see in the 24th century Berman shows, the Defiant, Voyager and the Enterprise E, which did have multiple stations around the bridge. Hell, for that matter, the Enterprise D's bridge had stations added in Generations. Is that not a step backwards or does that fit your definition of technological advancement?
When the reached back to the nx-01 its really primitive.
There were many people who said the opposite when Enterprise aired.
picard season 3(which by the way got part if the tech right except the viewscreens were SNW and STD style).
Did it? Picard S3 ignored all the holographic interfaces from the first two seasons and went back to bog standard LCARS that we'd been seeing from 1987-2002 which by modern standards are laughably outdated.
Bermans team just did much better.
Because you thought they did a better job with technology? That's an opinion, I guess.
 
And what about all other bridges we see in the 24th century Berman shows, the Defiant, Voyager and the Enterprise E, which did have multiple stations around the bridge. Hell, for that matter, the Enterprise D's bridge had stations added in Generations. Is that not a step backwards or does that fit your definition of technological advancement?

Simply the fact that a ship needn't have them to function. It still can have them, if that's what individual crew members prefer or a mission calls for.
 
Did it? Picard S3 ignored all the holographic interfaces from the first two seasons and went back to bog standard LCARS that we'd been seeing from 1987-2002 which by modern standards are laughably outdated.
Any kind of holograms on the bridge suck, I'm with Captain Pike on this one.
 
And what about all other bridges we see in the 24th century Berman shows, the Defiant, Voyager and the Enterprise E, which did have multiple stations around the bridge. Hell, for that matter, the Enterprise D's bridge had stations added in Generations. Is that not a step backwards or does that fit your definition of technological advancement?

There were many people who said the opposite when Enterprise aired.

Did it? Picard S3 ignored all the holographic interfaces from the first two seasons and went back to bog standard LCARS that we'd been seeing from 1987-2002 which by modern standards are laughably outdated.

Because you thought they did a better job with technology? That's an opinion, I guess.

They were still more streamlined. The fact is things had changed. Scotty was amazed 80 years out of his time of all the advancements. He was actually lost in the new world of tng tech. In STD they go nearly 1000 years and they acclimate easily. Actually they even show off because they have spore drive tech thats faster than anything starfleet has in the 32nd century. Its ridiculous.
 
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There are several scenes in Discovery's third season which demonstrate the exact opposite, but just go right ahead printing the legend.

Nope. They easily acclimated. Funny how a thousand year old ship easily fit in with supposedly far advanced ships. Maybe a viking ship war ship will travel a thousand years to 2026 and we will be amazed at how functional and relevant it still is in 2026. Maybe they can impress the u.s navy with their technology. Lol
 
Nope. They easily acclimated. Funny how a thousand year old ship easily fit in with supposedly far advanced ships. Maybe a viking ship war ship will travel a thousand years to 2026 and we will be amazed at how functional and relevant it still is in 2026. Maybe they can impress the u.s navy with their technology. Lol
How about education actually improves and they're practicing better acceptance of people from different times. IDIC.
 
How about education actually improves and they're practicing better acceptance of people from different times. IDIC.

I really enjoyed the episode where Burnham decided she was going to show off the Discovery 23rd century technology to the 32nd century starfleet.bshe was probably thinki m g.Yeah. We are still relevant and not as primitive as you guys all think. Just because our ship is a thousand years old doesn't mean she's not up to stsrfleet standards. It's only been 10 centuries. Lol
 
I really enjoyed the episode where Burnham decided she was going to show off the Discovery 23rd century technology to the 32nd century starfleet.bshe was probably thinki m g.Yeah. We are still relevant and not as primitive as you guys all think. Just because our ship is a thousand years old doesn't mean she's not up to stsrfleet standards. It's only been 10 centuries. Lol
Technology is not a constant improvement. They're showing off a unique drive and modifications.

If you think the past has nothing to offer then do not study history and avoid all Shakespeare references, and inventions from the past.
 
The Emerald Chain scientist Aurelio said in Discovery season 3 while studying the spore drive that, "the 23rd century must have been the Golden age of science".
 
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The greatest flaw of the Berman-era was that the later two series were trapped under UPN middle management holding back serialization until it was too late.

The second greatest flaw was the one-two punch of INS and NEM. Patrick Stewart and to a lesser extent Brent Spiner subtracted more than they added with creative input into the later TNG films. The studio gave more notes. And the budgets escalated much more rapidly than between the TOS films.

And Les Moonves and the CBS / Viacom split didn't help either.
 
The greatest flaw of the Berman-era was that the later two series were trapped under UPN middle management holding back serialization until it was too late.
TOS and TNG did just fine without serialization. Episodic shows can work just fine. The problem wasn't that they couldn't be serialized; the problem was just bad writing.

The second greatest flaw was the one-two punch of INS and NEM. Patrick Stewart and to a lesser extent Brent Spiner subtracted more than they added with creative input into the later TNG films. The studio gave more notes. And the budgets escalated much more rapidly than between the TOS films.
Amen. RIck Berman was not, IMHO, equipped to be a feature film producer. And the choice of Stuart Baird to be director was disastrous, also.
 
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