^ Uh...I alluded to that very scene in one of my posts above.
Why did David have to die?
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This is possibly true, but somewhere around here I have a story treatment for ST III written by Harve Bennett which is dated well after ST:TWOK was released. I honestly don't remember what happens to David in it - what I do remember right now is that it features a Romulan ship, Saavik confessing to James Kirk (believing them to be marooned on the Genesis planet after Kirk blows up the Enterprise, I think) that she loves him, and that the sum total of explanation given for the disintegration of the planet in the treatment is Kirk saying to the Romulan commander via communicator that "logic dictates that whatever is created in an accelerated manner is on an accelerated course to its own destruction." I'm paraphrasing from memory , of course.
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I looked it up on line, and what I believe I have (I'm being optimistic; I had it and hope it's in a box somewhere here 
) is the "Return To Genesis" treatment which was dated as September of 1982.
) is the "Return To Genesis" treatment which was dated as September of 1982.It is. It's discussed here:
http://www.fastcopyinc.com/orionpress/articles/star_trek_iii.htm
And parodied here:
http://www.fastcopyinc.com/orionpress/parodies/startrip3p2.htm
http://www.fastcopyinc.com/orionpress/articles/star_trek_iii.htm
And parodied here:
http://www.fastcopyinc.com/orionpress/parodies/startrip3p2.htm
WOW! I'd never read that before. For some reason now though I'm getting an idea to rewrite Star Trek III:The Search for Spock as a sequel to "The Enterprise Incident". The Romulan Commander mentioned in the treatment is actually the female Romulan Commander from that episode looking to exact revenge on Kirk and Spock. Yes the wheels are turning now. Might be a bit fanboyish but it's a fan fic lol. Savikk and Kirk thing...interesting. I'm glad that was dropped.
Check out the alternate turbolift scene in the ABC-TV broadcast version of ST II. "Come hither" closeups.
In my interview with Paul Winfield, conducted when he was filming "On the Run" in Australia, after ST II but well before its premiere:
Paraphrasing: "I can tell you that the chemistry between them (Alley and Shatner) offscreen was the exact opposite to what you see onscreen", which was our first inkling that Saavik and Kirk, rather than Saavik and David, was a relationship being experimented with by Meyer. The film came out and we were even more puzzled by Winfield's remarks, since we'd heard that Shatner and Alley were supposedly cold to each other (maybe she turned him down?), but eventually we heard the reports about those bizarre alternate takes in the ABC-TV broadcast version of ST II.
Oh there seemed to be sexual undertones between Savvik and Kirk in the turbolift scene but I kind of figured that to be just a gag and nothing serious and to reflect the fact that she was hot. Bones even makes his comment and Kirk says "I didn't notice". LOL.
I thought Saavik's interest in Kirk was completely obvious the first time I saw TWOK - the elevator scene, among others, played that way with or without the close-ups. And Kirk was pretty clearly showing off for her in the Genesis cave.
Now that I think about it more and notice all the subtle signs...okay I see it now. I think maybe the most telling sign is when she is having her conversation in the torpedo room with Spock and says to him "He is not what I expected" or something like that and the look on her face. Are there like Kirk and Savvik fan fics or something? I've honestly never really paid much attention to it before it was brought up here.
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I don't understand what you're saying.
Are you refering to the fact that I quoted someone other than you? Potemkin_Prod made the point first and that's why I quoted him. Sorry.
Or does your puzzlement refer to my question? I am asking whether that scene in II (Kirk's admission of cheating) was written with the sequal in mind (David also having cheated, "like-father-like-son"), ie - if it had always been planned as a trilogy.
I genuinely never noticed the parrallels between a cheating father and son before and was thanking this board for the observations.
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I'll admit, I didn't care much for David Marcus at first(the way he was depicted in Star Trek II - The Wrath Of Khan), but after watching him in Star Trek III - The Search For Spock, I began to accept him as part of the Star Trek mythos.
And like many others, I, too was surprised by his sudden death while protecting Saavik.
Oh, well, at least Kruge and his Klingon crew(except for Maltz)got killed off near the end.
Star Trek III was definately operatic on every level.
And like many others, I, too was surprised by his sudden death while protecting Saavik.
Oh, well, at least Kruge and his Klingon crew(except for Maltz)got killed off near the end.
Star Trek III was definately operatic on every level.
@MikeS what I meant by alluding to your point already is that I had just brought up what you had suggested...that David cheating with the protomatter was meant to be similar to Kirk reprogramming the Maru test at the Academy. Except in David's case his actions had severe consequences while Kirk was given an accommodation.
What I got a kick out of was that her general aggressiveness toward him in a couple of scenes - the elevator, for example - seems to catch him off guard and he's almost shy about it. He's too cool, of course, to be off balance for more than a moment.
It all sort of works as part of the story where he's wrestling with aging - a woman friend of mine rather disgustedly called the sexual tension "typical middle-aged man's fantasy" at the time, which is probably true...but the flip side of that kind of thing is "typical middle-aged man's nightmare" and I think on some level Shatner got that.
Yeah, "I don't like to lose" is thrown directly at Saavik - Kirk is absolutely preening in front of "the girl."
Saavik, I think, identifies with Kirk to a greater degree than with her mentor Spock. She clearly intends to command a ship.
^ I totally agree with that. I think Kirk is her idol...while she's honored to have Spock as her mentor and patron, it is Kirk's career that she's followed and wishes to emulate. This is why she was so eager to hear his evaluation at the start of the movie and later in the cave about how he passed the test. Savvik wanted to impress him, and why she was embarrassed when she was chastised for pointing out regulations.
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