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When Do You Want To See Burnham Become The STD Captain?

After this episode, I retract what I said about the relationship between Saru and Burnham. Not certain about what happens to her if the season ends with some time travel.
 
Hythlodeus said:
of course they can...and would be right. she was sentenced for mutiny, which she clearly hadn't commited. that was a BS sentence in the first place
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Did she assault her captain, yes or no?

Did she attempt to take control of the ship after assaulting her captain, yes or no?
 
Fateor said:
Did she assault her captain, yes or no?

Did she attempt to take control of the ship after assaulting her captain, yes or no?
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mutiny: an occasion when a group of people, especially soldiers or sailors, refuses to obey orders and/or attempts to take control from people in authority
How the fuck do you think Burnham is a group of people?
insubordination? yes. assault of a commanding officer? yes. mutiny? hell no
 
Hythlodeus said:
How the fuck do you think Burnham is a group of people?
insubordination? yes. assault of a commanding officer? yes. mutiny? hell no
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MUTINY (noun):
1. revolt or rebellion against constituted authority, especially by sailors against their officers.

I think Michael's actions fit the term well enough.
 
XCV330 said:
Sentences get commuted. My great grandfather got life for killing a couple of guys, one of them his best friend in a squabble. Back then in this state that meant work in the mines till you died. Family had to pitch in, sell his murkier business interests and make a donation to the governor's campaign. His pardon came in later in the the year. I'm not saying it would be anything that obvious but no doubt they'll find a way.
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justice by wallet
 
XCV330 said:
commutation of sentence by a tribunal of bigwigs for her actions aboard Discovery, I'm guessing.
When it comes down to it, Starfleet Admiralty allowed an infiltrator (who was sleeping with a member of said Admiralty) to take over one of their ships, kill prisoners and a guard AND coerce the remaining prisoner to work for him. She probably has a lawsuit in there somewhere. Commute her sentence and give her a badge back.
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Yeah. I’m a former lawyer. She’s got a bit to work with there to fashion an argument. Not perfect but worth a run
 
ohdeve said:
The only reliable way of getting out of trouble in Starfleet is to save the Earth. If Burnham can do that, she's good to go.
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I think she might be about to save the earth and the Federation from Klingon takeover by her instinctive rescue of Georgiou who will know how to win the war

Could be enough
 
Brennyren said:
MUTINY (noun):
1. revolt or rebellion against constituted authority, especially by sailors against their officers.

I think Michael's actions fit the term well enough.
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do you notice the plural in 'sailors'?
sorry, mutiny. like sex is per definition a group activtiy. if you do it alone, it is called something else
 
Much as I hate to admit it, @Hythlodeus is technically (albeit anally) correct, in both UK and US military law a mutiny does require at least two persons acting in unison. Otherwise it is merely disobedience.
 
Hythlodeus said:
well, if starfleet isn't military, since mutiny is a military term, then it can't be mutiny anyway. if I go against the wishes of my boss I don't get a life sentence. I might lose my job, but I don't get labeled as mutineer
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That's it, I want to see Star Trek reimagined where instead of military chain of command, it's like working in an office.

Or retail.
 
Mr. Laser Beam said:
Burnham was also convicted of treason, wasn't she? That was an even more BS verdict. If she had actually bothered to retain defense counsel, or at least speak up on her own behalf, she would never have been convicted. She just let the tribunal walk all over her.

If/when her sentence is commuted, I'm sure Starfleet will take that into account as well. Along with her record of service since then.

That reminds me. Even if Burnham didn't ask for a defense attorney, why wasn't she given one anyway? Isn't that an absolute right during any trial - especially a court-martial? It's inconceivable that anyone who is on trial with their career and freedom - possibly even their life - at stake, would not be automatically provided with counsel, even if they didn't ask for it.
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Well she might have the right to waive counsel, but even if she had counsel she pleaded guilty to the charges. So striaght onto the sentancing phase. Now you might be able to try and argue that the actions after Georgioiu where down to emotional impariment but the mutiny charge is a little harder to get around.

She tried to subdue her CO and take command of the Shenzhou, after her CO decided not to follow her advice. She then also proceeded to lie that her CO had changed her mind.

The best result she could realistically hope for is for rank to be restored as for the Captain's chair that should be out of the question.
 
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