When did the Janeway hatred truly start to coalesce?

[Farscape One]

If you change the last Act, "THRESHOLD" is a very solid episode. You have good character beats for Tom and you have a cool body horror story. It's really only the evolving part and the full on salamander appearance that ding the episode.

Unlike "SPIRIT FOLK", "FALSE PROFITS", "FURY", or several others that are just bad from start to finish.

 

[Oddish]

It's been remarked that if you start "Spirit Folk" at 11:49:35 on New Year's Eve, Harry will kiss the cow at exactly midnight.

 

[DonIago]

Didn't someone in the thread about Underrated episodes just opine their fondness for this one?

Sorry, that sounds catty, just an example of how everyone loves something...

 

[Farscape One]

Didn't someone in the thread about Underrated episodes just opine their fondness for this one?

Sorry, that sounds catty, just an example of how everyone loves something...

I bolded the relevant statement that I fully agreed with.

 

[Oddish]

And that's perfectly fine with me. As I've often said, I rather liked "Shades of Gray", an oft-reviled TNG episode.

 

[Farscape One]

Indeed. I have defended episodes many others find bad, like "MOVE ALONG HOME" or "Masks".

It's okay for others to be wrong.

 

[Ragitsu]

Another "A seriously wrong impression of Voyager." scene ->

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[Oddish]

Maybe his name should have been Dr. Horndog...

 

[fireproof78]

Indeed. I have defended episodes many others find bad, like "MOVE ALONG HOME" or "Masks".

It's okay for others to be wrong.

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[at Quark's]

1. Starfleet has the death penalty for one reason, going to Talos IV, but even so, that's after a day of court, and the execution is most assuredly using a prescribed humane method, that is not being fed to wild animals.

And even then, it's quite possible the death penalty has long since been abolished by Janeway's time (which is 80 years later), unless there's a more recent mention of it which I'm not aware of.

 

[Guy Gardener]

And even then, it's quite possible the death penalty has long since been abolished by Janeway's time (which is 80 years later), unless there's a more recent mention of it which I'm not aware of.

We went back to Talos IV in Discovery, after the Cage yet before the Menagerie.

 

[Ragitsu]

That show counts?

 

[jackoverfull]

We went back to Talos IV in Discovery, after the Cage yet before the Menagerie.

and no mention of it being forbidden was given, oddly

 

[Ragitsu]

The entire crew made quicksilver babies on the Demon Planet.

Millions, possibly billions of babies.

Speaking of offspring...

Daddy Mulchaey never stopped by sickbay to comfort his dying son.

 

[Ragitsu]

If anyone here is familiar with foreign dubs of Voyager ("foreign" relative to the original English track, that is), please let us know if Janeway sounds less/more severe in French/Spanish/Italian/Arabic/Korean/Swahili/et cetera.

 

[jackoverfull]

In Italian she sounds remarkably similar to the original.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Or worst of all, "Threshold"! The mind boggles.

Original Trek got pretty absurd sometimes with Nazi planets and people in black/white face. But Kirk never engaged in salamander sex.

101 Kirk almost bangs a salt Vampire.
108 Miri, a child tries to jump Kirk.
115 Kirk's fondest dream is to have a half naked man, throw him to the ground.
201 Kirk almost marries Spock's fiance.
205 Kirk brings sex to a planet of virgins.
215 Kirk is hit in the face by hundreds of cloaca's.
303 Kirk marries a girl he just met.
310 Kirk is telpathically compelled to kiss a girl.
313 Kirk is enthralled as a sex slave by an exotic princess.
319 Kirk wants to bang a robot.
324 Kirk is turned into a woman and then left alone for hours.

 

[jackoverfull]

Not sure what you’re saying, however…

108 Miri, a child tries to jump Kirk.

The crush she had on him was hardly his fault.
In fact I remember being in a similar position once and not realising at all the situation.

115 Kirk's fondest dream is to have a half naked man, throw him to the ground.

Not his fondest dream, just a memory the situation reminded him of.

201 Kirk almost marries Spock's fiance.

Hardly his fault.

324 Kirk is turned into a woman and then left alone for hours.

I doubt sex was high on his priorities at the time.

 

[Oddish]

Kirk and Quark could compare notes. Maybe do each other's nails, too.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Not sure what you’re saying, however…

salamanda sex was Janeway pushed into a sexual press, that would not have been her first choice. Which happened to Kirk all the time.

The crush she had on him was hardly his fault.

Repelling a woman is reverse sex which can be just as complicated and stressful as forward sex.

In fact I remember being in a similar position once and not realising at all the situation.

Doing the right thing, feels good.

Not his fondest dream, just a memory the situation reminded him of.

You know he's a masochist.

Hardly his fault.

He won that girl by a feat of strength and skill, its disingenuous not to take T'Pring home to Iowah to Iowa to meet Wynonna.

I doubt sex was high on his priorities at the time.

I was alluding towards masturbation, but even looking or showering would still be a violation, but Jim wasn't thinking about anything Janice was definitely doing to or with his body.