What would be a deal breaker for you in Discovery?

[{ Emilia }]

Not absurd. A true humanist position separates the sin from the sinner, so to speak.

Yeah, but I can't fault people for reacting rather harshly to the abuse that's being done by right-wingers. Sexists and racists love the internet and the abusive rhetoric they use is way harsher than the reactions to that are. I'm personally trying to stay civil but it does get tedious when I have to delete yet another post by a hateful extremist intent on insulting women or LGBT people on a Star Trek forum.

 

[Nyotarules]

I'm not whom you asked, but I'd say the Star Trek Continues episode "Lolani" would be an example of how Discovery should *not* handle a moral or ethical message - there's an extended portion of the namesake's dialog where they really should have just given her a little pulpit and let her beat people with it.

Edit: And honestly, STC has been good for over-the-top moralism a few of times. Like the episode with the Tellarite sexism.

Never seen the episode, so no idea what you are talking about lol

 

[Nyotarules]

Not absurd. A true humanist position separates the sin from the sinner, so to speak.

'Sin' only exists cos 'sinners' love to practice em. So if a racist dislikes the response to their racist bile the simple solution is stop producing racist bile. Actually even if one is polite and politely holds up a mirror to such folks they want to smash the mirror.
There is no logical thinking involved when it comes to hate and fear.
There is a reason why the KKK endorsed Trump, (must have been his message of universal peace and brotherhood) and why Marie Le Pen, the leader of a party started by former French Nazis, almost won a French election.
The political world is facing an extreme right wing backlash and its time to lash them back

 

[USS Triumphant]

Never seen the episode, so no idea what you are talking about lol

You should. Aside from having to grit teeth through a couple of preachy parts like I'm talking about, they're very well done.

 

[Matthew Raymond]

Edit: And honestly, STC has been good for over-the-top moralism a few of times. Like the episode with the Tellarite sexism.

My interpretation was that they were trying to make the episode true to the period they were reproducing. The whole idea of Star Trek Continues is "what if Star Trek didn't get cancelled". If they contextualized it in a modern way, it would feel out of place for the time period.

Still, assuming this is the case, it shows a serious limitation of the concept. It would have been nice to see a story that addresses the more subtle aspects of sexism, rather than in-your-face, yesteryear sexism that largely doesn't exist anymore.

 

[fireproof78]

Something is wrong if you're grounding your 16 year old for seeing sideboob and buttcrack.

Possibly but blame will not get anyone anywhere.

If you aren't open at home, your kids will go out and learn about it elsewhere. Sometimes with lifelong damaging results.

Hey, I turned out fine

Perhaps the social justice warriors with a seemingly rude facade are on the 'I'm as mad as hell and can't take it anymore' wagon. After all, being nice to fascists and racists worked for all those years right?
I can understand the attitude even if I do not practice it myself (Or I try not to)

'Sin' only exists cos 'sinners' love to practice em. So if a racist dislikes the response to their racist bile the simple solution is stop producing racist bile. Actually even if one is polite and politely holds up a mirror to such folks they want to smash the mirror.
There is no logical thinking involved when it comes to hate and fear.
There is a reason why the KKK endorsed Trump, (must have been his message of universal peace and brotherhood) and why Marie Le Pen, the leader of a party started by former French Nazis, almost won a French election.
The political world is facing an extreme right wing backlash and its time to lash them back

If "right-wingers" and "left-wingers" could stop being dumped in to whole categories and treated as 100% bad by the other side, it would go a long way to constructive destruction. There is plenty of hateful rhetoric on both sides and the argument to "lash them back" is not going to convince anyone. It's going to make them sink they're heals in and push back.

"They lie-we lie. Where does it stop?" Hawkeye from M*A*S*H.

 

[Vger23]

Deal-breakers for me (and I'm willing to give just about ANYTHING a shot but this):

"Game of Thrones IN SPAAAAACCCE" If this show is about the political maneuvering and tension between the Klingons, Federation, and other races / intergalactic political bodies...I'm out. I have NO desire to have an intergalactic politics / cold war stuff in the Trek universe any longer.

"Breaking Bad IN SPAAAAAACCCE" If our characters are morally ambiguous and anti-heroes...I'm out. I'm not saying I want a crew of Picards (quite the opposite actually)- but I also don't want a drug dealing captain and a murder for a first officer. No thanks.

 

[Ralphis]

the only reason they did it in The Motion Picture was because prosthetics got better and that was needed to make the Klingon's look more sinister.

Reimagining an alien race for DSC due to better prosthetics would be no different than what was done with the Klingons in TMP. It's the exact same thing! I don't understand why one is acceptable, but the other would turn you off. I'm not trying to be a jerk, you're entitled to your opinion, but it's literally the same purpose. Unless I'm missing something...

 

[Apparition B5]

One of the largest problems in the United States ATM is that roughly half of the population is conservative, and the other half is liberal. Neither side can stand the other as they both think that they're being repressed and persecuted by the other. As such, neither side listens anymore. They just like to call each other names and shame each other on social media. That's how you get "SJWs" and "fascists."

 

[Mudd]

We don't actually have a "half that's liberal" - we have some progressives but also a lot of folks who are just sensible and not pissed off at all of modernity. Such folks don't really have a place in the "conservative" party.

 

[Tenacity]

We don't actually have a "half that's liberal" - we have some progressives but also a lot of folks who are just sensible and not pissed off at all of modernity.

Resent (last month) Gallup poll says that 44% of adult Americans self-identify as political independents (Republicans 26% Democrats 29%)

The same person who identifies as a fiscal conservative, can also identify as a social liberal.

Such folks don't really have a place in the "conservative" party.

Of course they have a place, plenty of room for everyone who wants in. The majority of people on the right aren't extremist conservatives, just like majority of the people on the left aren't extremist progressives.

(Should I have put "progressives" in quotation marks?)

'There is a reason why the KKK endorsed Trump

Are you assuming that the KKK acts through the process of reason?

The endorsement came from a Klan newsletter with maybe a few hundred readers.. Trump at no point sought the newsletter's endorsement, and dismissed the endorsement after it was brought to his attention. Trump called the newsletter repulsive.

The "reason" for the endorsement was probably to get attention, it worked.

 

[Armus]

So, I am curious as to what would be a deal breaker for you, if it were in Discovery? I am talking about something that isn't just a minor annoyance, but something that you just could not overlook and would bother you so much, you couldn't watch it.

I think for me it would have to be a reboot, or yet another universe or timeline. I could be down with it being either set in the prime timeline or the Kelvin timeline, but I want to see some connection to a previous version of Star Trek. Not to the point of constant call backs, and I am not sure what form it should take. But I would like to see a definite connection of some type. I feel that if it were yet another timeline\universe or worse, a complete hard reboot that disregards everything that came before, it would just be too much to ask of me. I don't want to see them trash 50 years of Star Trek lore.

This is a good question. Honestly, I have no expectations, and I'm not paying to watch it, so when I do see it hopefully I'll find it an engaging way to kill some time on a Saturday. I suppose if Discovery is a copy of something I've already seen and disliked, rather than a bold attempt to be original in premise and execution, that would be a deal breaker.

 

[Mudd]

If it attempts to be original in premise and execution, it will be unique among Trek series.

 

[fireproof78]

One of the largest problems in the United States ATM is that roughly half of the population is conservative, and the other half is liberal. Neither side can stand the other as they both think that they're being repressed and persecuted by the other. As such, neither side listens anymore. They just like to call each other names and shame each other on social media. That's how you get "SJWs" and "fascists."

That is an oversimplification, as @Tenacity clarified.

We don't actually have a "half that's liberal" - we have some progressives but also a lot of folks who are just sensible and not pissed off at all of modernity. Such folks don't really have a place in the "conservative" party.

Not sure what "conservative party" is being referred to but that describes most of the folks I know who are right-leaning or conservative.

If it attempts to be original in premise and execution, it will be unique among Trek series.

That would be a nice change of pace.

 

[Vger23]

I don't mean to be a d!ck...but if you guys want to have a political discussion, you should start a thread somewhere else and not continue to derail this one.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Being beat over the head with SJW crap.

So....not Star Trek then.

 

[Mudd]

Not sure what "conservative party" is being referred to but that describes most of the folks I know who are right-leaning or conservative.

If that's representative of modern Republicans, they have a funny way of showing it on election days.

 

[Armus]

If it attempts to be original in premise and execution, it will be unique among Trek series.

The fact that Discovery is a fill in the gaps prequel like Enterprise doesn't give me much hope but I'm willing to have an open mind.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

The fact that Discovery is a fill in the gaps prequel like Enterprise doesn't give me much hope but I'm willing to have an open mind.

That's a mighty big assumption, and one I really doubt will be the case. The aim of Discovery is not going to be to fill in the gaps! Nor will it attempt to emulate ENT.

 

[Mudd]

I really don't care when it takes place, since there's no real history for it to fit into - they can do whatever they like, and evidence so far suggests they might actually run with that a little ways this time.