The stories have no meaning or morals. The characters exist simply to service the plot, rather than the plots existing to service the characters (The big failing of Voyager once Braga took over.)
What would be a deal breaker for you in Discovery?
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This is true for all Trek series - most popular fiction of any kind is plot-driven rather than character-driven.
I think we'll have to agree to disagree one this one. TNG was the most popular of the spin offs and in my opinion had tons of great moments for Picard and co. This is what has always made Trek unique: It's sci-fi with lots of heart and great characters.
"Great moments for characters" is not the same thing as character-driven storytelling.
Every episode of Star Trek is based on a plot premise which is developed into a teleplay - this happens then that happens then this happens and it all winds up over here. The show isn't and never has been an exploration of the lives of the characters who inhabit the stories.
Every episode of Star Trek is based on a plot premise which is developed into a teleplay - this happens then that happens then this happens and it all winds up over here. The show isn't and never has been an exploration of the lives of the characters who inhabit the stories.
I think if you want to see a prime example of what I mean, look how Voyager developed. That series had characters constantly mouthing lines simply to further the next phaser fight or beam down. If it started to feel like that, then I would most definitely bail.
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I know what you mean! I gave up on GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY after the beginning, too. Who wants to watch some depressing drama about a kid whose mother is dying of cancer?
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Mods are just as entitled to their political or other opinions as anyone else on this board. We are not paid employees and are doing this for fun on our free time. Asking us to not participate in the discussions here as posters in addition to our moderating duties is not a fair or reasonable expectation.
Star Trek never shied away from discussing political topics and so it is a natural thing that it would sometimes come up in discussions here. Nor is there anything forbidding it from being discussed.
If you have anything further to say to any of the mods here, please send us a PM to talk. Otherwise, the mods are perfectly within their rights to participate in the discussions here, political or otherwise, just like any other poster.
Ah, seeing your profile pic and your link clearly you must be an anti-trump liberal which appears to be officially supported by this site. I wasn't aware of that until now so I will no longer be posting on this site. I wished to discuss Star Trek not politics - and if politics were to be discussed in a fair method Moderators who are clearly on one side of the political spectrum and make no effort to conceal it would not allow for that. Clearly conservatives aren't welcome here. Don't worry about the ban/suspension, I will see myself to the door.
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Politics ruins everything.
Not yet
but they're working on it...
The head admin here (T'Bonz) is a conservative, as are several other members of the staff. There's is no "officially supported" political stance on this site, just a collection of different people with different views and the ability to express them because we fortunately aren't being run by an admin that censors political opinion among her volunteer moderator staff. How you have been here since 2013 and not noticed that political opinions are allowed is beyond me.
Regardless of my avatar and sig links, I expressed no political opinion on the actual content of this thread. I simply responded to your complaint about another moderator expressing a political opinion to tell you that a) the premise of this thread allows for that, b) this forum allows for political expression, and c) this board does not have a rule against moderators taking part in political discussions. So apparently the problem you have is not just with "liberal" or left-wing (because not everyone identifies as an American-style liberal, you know, including the other mod you were complaining about) mods expressing their political opinions here, but with them serving as mods or expressing any opinion at all. Sorry, no "safe space" for you, and you don't get to dictate policy.
One thing that never changes here is people threatening to leave.
If I see one more post about people threatening to leave, I'm going to leave. Huh? How about that? You think for one second this board can survive without my witty and considerable intellect? Not for a second I would imagine. So don't anyone threaten to leave again, or I will leave.
Inspite of that statement on your part, it's the characters that I and others primarily "tune in" to watch, the plot is a plus on top of that.
There is in fact exploration of the characters, their lives, back histories, families, going on on the show and in the movies. If anything there should be more so (imho).
You don't have to be a liberal to be anti-Trump.
That's what Law & Order was like in its glory days as well. (Not SVU, I mean the 'mothership'.)
It worked because the original L&O was, in a word, "actor-proof". It spent only the barest of bare minimum of time on any character's personal life. Some characters spent the entire series WITHOUT one. L&O at its best was cool, clinical, detached. It was the Spock of cop/legal dramas.
Unfortunately, very few shows can work like that now - certainly SVU can't (by its very nature), and I doubt DSC could either.
But hey, a fan can dream...
I agree with this, especially when we watch reruns of Trek. Once you seen a episode and know the plot and know all the twists the main joy in watching the show again is simply getting to see the characters do their thing and interact with each other and also watch the actors performance.
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Don't think you'll be missed much.
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I think I'll follow that fellow out the door. I don't think I fit in very well here either.
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I think you'll find that I have removed the door, and replaced it with new Folger's Crystals. Let's see if anyone can tell the difference.
You realize you guys are manufacturing drama out of absolutely nothing, right? Nothing has happened. No one has threatened you with warnings or banning. No one was even having an intense disagreement. This is all happening because apparently you guys can't handle the idea of moderators having political opinions. Move on.
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