What was wrong with "These are the Voyages"

[Dick_Valentine]

The thing that annoyed me about it (and I apologise if this has already been mentioned) is that it felt not like an end to the series nor the franchise at all, merely a bottle show that they usually threw in there to save money for the big budget season finale!

You don't see any shots, stock or new, of the NX-01 until the montage at the end despite it coming under attack a couple of times (and hey, they could've shown a wormhole or something that answered the "how did they catch up" question eh) and because they couldn't afford to re-create the Ent-D's bridge you only get a couple of sets there leaving that section of the show feeling a little claustrophobic.
No question the glory shots of the Enterprise D were probably the only good part of this terrible show (and Phlox's smile, that's always worth a look!) but it felt out of place when you weren't seeing the hero ship at all.

And what were they saving the money for anyway? Rikers Girdle? Troi's Botox?
If they'd run out of money previous to this, then building whole new sets and hiring two previous cast members (who couldn't have been cheap!)probably wasn't the best idea in the first place!

 

[Mach5]

Add that to the "what's wrong" list - it looked incredibly cheap.

 

[Noname Given]

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"This is my favorite ST series except for TOS!"

^^^^
The kid has good taste.

 

[Agenda]

I still haven't seen it.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Add that to the "what's wrong" list - it looked incredibly cheap.

That's what happens when you put sets from 2001 next to ones from 1987. "In a Mirror, Darkly" worked because TOS long ago fell in the realm of iconic campy silliness. TNG is still in the realm of simply looking bad/outdated.

 

[Saxman1]

I still haven't seen it.

I still haven't seen TNG's "Genesis" and refuse to. I've seen a minute here and there and already know it's up there with "Threshold" and....TATV in the select group of worst eps....

Sirtis should get a refund on that facelift/botox/whatever and Frakes is bigger than Scotty was at his worst.

"There will be NO Titan series for you two!"

 

[ChristopherPike]

I try not to knock how Jonathan Frakes and Marina Sirtis changed. It happens to the best of us and they visably looked different as the seven years of TNG rolled by. But it's such an obvious target, if they had to bring them in... surely it would've made more sense to redress a few corridor sets and the briefing room from the Enterprise-E? Set it before Nemesis? Or make like they're on the Titan or whatever.

That wasn't my preferred ending. To me, that would've involved no holodeck at all. Just the NX-01 crew reuniting in their twilight years, and discussing all the stuff we missed in those six years leading up to the Federation founding. Latex and wrinkles all round, as they witness the U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701 christening ceremony. Or given the years, an earlier stage maybe with the first piece of its hull under construction. Or scaled back again, visiting designers drawing up plans for what will one day become a fleet of Constitution class ships. Starfleet reserving the name Enterprise for one of registries with an 01 at the end. The first onscreen reference about what NCC stands for, to put the show in the Trek history books.

 

[SFRabid]

I don't have issue with Frakes or Sitris. I would prefer that they show up on an earlier show instead of the final. My only real issue with TATV is the creaters attitued of "Screw this. If they are going to end our show lets trash it by killing a main character so there is no hope for a future of Enterprise."

 

[GregHenley]

For me it was all more simple.....the sets, the uniforms, the looks of the new ship just missed the mark making it a bit less watch-able. They also re-used too many already developed villians. No courage there!

-Greg

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[ChristopherPike]

Nah. My favourite series designer, Herman Zimmerman, had courage enough to think about 21st Century-style realism. He's right to be proud of his work.

Visable square LCD screens, instead of building them inside the consoles, was probably the biggest mistake. But they were cutting edge then. The Enterprise bridge would cost a third the money to construct now, with such displays being only a few hundred dollars each... rather than thousands.

The NX-01 interiors looked functional and tough, with just enough of a nod to decor a century away... (door intercoms, flashing coloured square graphics on screens, a retractable viewer at the science station to name but a few).

Note that the U.S.S. Kelvin didn't look much like a kiddies holiday camp either!

 

[Saxman1]

I think Enterprise was the best photographed and best looking of all the ST series, even if the TNG sets looked somewhat "unreal" in the finale. I really liked the ENT uniforms, they seemed the most realistic of all the series and think T'Pol looked best in the ENT uniform. Troi and Seven also looked much better in uniforms than catsuits.

Sorry about picking on Frakes and Sirtis. I don't even make my living with my looks as actors do and I work hard to stay in shape at 51. I sometimes go overboard with people who don't. That's petty. And speaking of making a living, I've been mostly unemployed since 9/17/2009 with an MBA and that's adding to the crankiness of some posts. My apologies.

 

[Admiral Shran]

Any venom spewed at TATV is acceptable.

 

[bluedana]

Hi, GregHenley, welcome to the board. That's a great picture, but it's way too large. Please check out the FAQs about image size. Thanks!

 

[BrotherofShran0]

First, I will not say the name of the episode that needs to be decanonized. Most of you have hit what is wrong with it dead on and I agree with it 1000%. I will say these things and join in the discussion later.

(1) Commander Shran falling out of favor with the Imperial Guard? give me a break! If Shran was to be ousted, it should have been because he felt that the Imperial guard was getting decayed as the Vulcan High Command was under V'Las and wanted to restore the Imperial Guard to it former glory. At best, he should taken his crew and become independent, being a free lance merc to the Federation and the new Vulcan High Command.

(2) Demons and Terra Prime is the best fitting episode to end a series. I admit that the main weapon that Paxon was using was not the doomsday weapon that should have threaten the galaxy, but the best Federation ship did not have any type of shields that would repel that much firepower. I still like the Col. Green angle and see how it would have stopped the federation from forming or be the catalyst of how the Mirror universe earth started the Terran Empire.

(3) It's been said, where was the MACOs!!! With the Reed Alert, starship security should at least been mobilized to help save Trip and Archer. WTF??? Lt. Reed, you dropped the ball on this one big time. Again, where are the crew in the corridors that no one knows and do not care about. They could have tried to protect the Captain before help arrives.

(4) The Pegasus angle. Has nothing to do with Enterprise except to pi$$e$ off Enterprise fans for not being TNG fans and having a better person, Manny Cotto to try to save Enterprise.

 

[Broccoli]

The Admiral Archer's prized beagle jibe in the 2009 movie, allowed to slide since it was basically that. A knock at Enterprise's expense. Even delivered by a comedian, renowned for disliking prequels.

Oh, come on. It was not a knock at Enterprise. It was a reference worked in in a cute, joking manner. By this line of thinking, the whole Kobayashi Maru sequence was a knock at Star Trek II.

 

[ChristopherPike]

Oh, come on. It was not a knock at Enterprise. It was a reference worked in in a cute, joking manner. By this line of thinking, the whole Kobayashi Maru sequence was a knock at Star Trek II.

It's up the individual. But I can't really agree. It left a bitter aftertaste for me. I often dwell on what the hell that reference is supposed to mean. I know I should be grateful that the writers spared a half dozen keystrokes on an Archer mention. But really? Of all the honourable mentions they could've possibly given ENT, that was the absolute worst choice.

A piece of set dressing, nobody would notice but a fan? A little cameo from somebody who had been in Star Trek just four years earlier? Nothing that brings to whole story to a screeching halt obviously. Just a little blink and you'll miss it moment, in a bigger scene. Did any of those options happen? No. There was a joke about a dead dog. That says it all really. Okay. Maybe that's unfair. Missing. Returned in the novelisation no doubt. I guess I just don't have a sense of humour where this is concerned.

The Kobayashi Maru is what it is. An essential event in Kirk's life that enables him to get a passing grade at the Academy. Having him eat an apple isn't exactly an homagé to the TWOK either. It's a coincidence within a necessary story beat.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I agree with Broccoli - it was a cute reference that made me, an Enterprise fan, smile. I didn't see it as a knock at all (nor did Scott Bakula, FWIW). And I smile at it every time I see Porthos in Enterprise reruns.

If you think that's the "absolute worst choice" they could have made, you frankly lack imagination.

 

[ChristopherPike]

I appreciate frankness, but it's really nothing to do with any lack of imagination on my part.

Or I wouldn't still be thinking over the implications of something that seems to be more than a joke.

 

[MacLeod]

I didn't find anything wrong with the Archer referrence in the movie, to me it was nothing more than a way of paying it's dues to ENT.

But everyone is entittled to their own opinion.

 

[Skywalker]

I found the Archer reference to be an amusing bit of fluff, nothing more.