Damn, she did age quite a bit...
What was wrong with "These are the Voyages"
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Just more proof that it needed to be set on the Titan and not the Enterprise.
Holy Mary, mother of God...
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Agree, thus making it a post-Nemesis event too.
Most of the points I would have made are covered, but I just watched this and I'd like to say:
"he learned about engineering working on boat engines I think"...how did that MIND NUMBING STUPIDITY get past a first draft in the writers room, honestly, were these people...AWAKE?
The guy was a commissioned officer on the flagship of Starfleet, he's a commander, the second highest line rank...he didn't study engineering while at the academy? or at a university? he learned how to deal with a warp field and antimatter and dilithium crystals...from boat engines.
Something more stupid than a 3rd year cadet being promoted directly to captain of the flagship...I did not think I could find it, but there it is.
Also, people have mentioned alternatives and I'd like to ad to them.
I very much like the idea of a previous poster that we would see Enterprise characters unobtrusive in the background of the episode until the end, or in only one or two scenes where its them on their ship*, maybe make them recreational where they're talking in the crew lounge about the fun new programme where you get to visit the NX-01, that would have made more sense than the random unconnected Pegasus tie - in.
*As for the ship, don't get me wrong, I loved seeing the D again, and in digital it was lovely, as were the added effects like the asteroids out the windows.
But since the characters had naturally aged a bit, and they are going to be Riker and Troi, why not have it be the Titan?
Have it be Riker maybe tryina gain some inspiration from a former great captain as he takes up his new command, then the end sequence when they leave the holodeck is him going up to the Titan bridge and leaving Utopia Planitia for the first time Deanna at his side.
So you get the usual complaint, we can't build a new Titan ship model and set etc just for 1-2 scenes.
(the budget argument has always amused me, in Generations you can't afford everyone having the same uniform but you CAN afford a boat in the water and a load of extras?...ok...)
So where do we have an established set thats not the D so the actors age would not be a big deal...use the Enterprise E set.
It would have made more sense.
If you wanted a real "valentine to the fans" the absolute best thing, since this was going to be the last trek episode for a long while, would be to have Riker be in a holosuite at Quarks, and as the programme ends the two of them walk away and onto the bridge of the Titan docket at DS9, and they take off through the wormhole on a mission of exploration, and as you see the camera pull back as the Titan undocks and maneuvers away you can see the Defiant docked at the mid section, Voyager on the lower and Enterprise E on the upper beside Titan, a bit fanwankish yes, but fanwakary this ep was meant to be anyway, at least this would have been good.
Also, I'm not one for the hysterical trekkie thing where many seem to think you just can't kill any character, but the way they killed Trip was worse than the original Tasha Yar death, stupid, random and pointless.
"he learned about engineering working on boat engines I think"...how did that MIND NUMBING STUPIDITY get past a first draft in the writers room, honestly, were these people...AWAKE?
The guy was a commissioned officer on the flagship of Starfleet, he's a commander, the second highest line rank...he didn't study engineering while at the academy? or at a university? he learned how to deal with a warp field and antimatter and dilithium crystals...from boat engines.
Something more stupid than a 3rd year cadet being promoted directly to captain of the flagship...I did not think I could find it, but there it is.
Also, people have mentioned alternatives and I'd like to ad to them.
I very much like the idea of a previous poster that we would see Enterprise characters unobtrusive in the background of the episode until the end, or in only one or two scenes where its them on their ship*, maybe make them recreational where they're talking in the crew lounge about the fun new programme where you get to visit the NX-01, that would have made more sense than the random unconnected Pegasus tie - in.
*As for the ship, don't get me wrong, I loved seeing the D again, and in digital it was lovely, as were the added effects like the asteroids out the windows.
But since the characters had naturally aged a bit, and they are going to be Riker and Troi, why not have it be the Titan?
Have it be Riker maybe tryina gain some inspiration from a former great captain as he takes up his new command, then the end sequence when they leave the holodeck is him going up to the Titan bridge and leaving Utopia Planitia for the first time Deanna at his side.
So you get the usual complaint, we can't build a new Titan ship model and set etc just for 1-2 scenes.
(the budget argument has always amused me, in Generations you can't afford everyone having the same uniform but you CAN afford a boat in the water and a load of extras?...ok...)
So where do we have an established set thats not the D so the actors age would not be a big deal...use the Enterprise E set.
It would have made more sense.
If you wanted a real "valentine to the fans" the absolute best thing, since this was going to be the last trek episode for a long while, would be to have Riker be in a holosuite at Quarks, and as the programme ends the two of them walk away and onto the bridge of the Titan docket at DS9, and they take off through the wormhole on a mission of exploration, and as you see the camera pull back as the Titan undocks and maneuvers away you can see the Defiant docked at the mid section, Voyager on the lower and Enterprise E on the upper beside Titan, a bit fanwankish yes, but fanwakary this ep was meant to be anyway, at least this would have been good.
Also, I'm not one for the hysterical trekkie thing where many seem to think you just can't kill any character, but the way they killed Trip was worse than the original Tasha Yar death, stupid, random and pointless.
But that's not true at all though. They could have easily used the Enterprise-E CGI model to represent the Titan (since after Nemesis it would never be used again). Furthermore, if they really wanted to they could have restructured the model to make it a different class (Heck, they completely changed the Romulan warbird into a generic alien ship in ENT, so why not do something similar?)
Which exactly supports my above point (although I don't know if the Ent-E sets were torn down by the time TATV was filmed).
No, the absolute best thing would have been to not have Riker, Troi, and the 24th century framing story at all. The above scenario, just like the Pegasus framing story, has absolutely nothing to do with the ENT crew. This was their show. The least that could have happened was that the whole story focused on them, not some silly holodeck recreations of them that acted nothing like them.
Well, yeah.
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Indeed. Both moments are mind-numbingly idiotic.
Yar's death at least had some kind of meaning. It showed that death can, in fact, be random and pointless and come at a moment's notice - that not everyone gets to have a hero's death.
Trip's - .... .... .... .... yeah, just
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I know this is an old thread but I just rewatched the final episode of ENT as I am about to start reading 'The Good that Men Do.' It was definitely a poorly written finale, however, the events all happened in a holodeck program. Holodeck programs haven't always been historically accurate.
No lingering shot of the Akiraprise getting blown to bits.
Yes. Yes, it is. Mel, I see you have a tendency to Frankenstein years-old dead threads, but we prefer such ancient things to be left undisturbed.
It's better to post in a current thread on the same topic -- such as the TATV thread we have that was started less than a week ago -- or start a new thread. Okay?
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