What was the Kelvin doing in the Prime Universe?

[trevanian]

I doubt it was ever NOT blue. The planet has an oxygen atmosphere; scientifically speaking, the Vulcans should be very concerned if it ever turns any other color for a long period of time.

The reddish color is probably the result of atmospheric dust clouds at high altitude and probably comes and goes depending on the time of day. The kinds of gases that would result in a constant red hue at all times would render Vulcan uninhabitable.

And scientifically speaking, transporter technology is impossible due to the physics involved. A lot of the science in Star Trek isn't very scientific. So I'm just going by what was seen. It probably would be dust, but it would be a hell of a coincidence to never see a blue sky on Vulcan during the last 40 years.

Yeah, and at one point it didn't have a moon, but then it did, but then it didn't.

Blame Katzenberg. He pulled out the TMP matte shot of Vulcan that Yuricich was doing for the feature, losing the concept illustration for that which has what looks like a big sun in the sky, not a moon, in favor of something done by some idiot with what seems like THIRD ROCK FROM THE SUN type pool ball worlds drifting around.

 

[pookha]

four times over how many years????

actually it is more then that but still.

 

[Sector 7]

Vulcan always had a red sky... until they got rid of all the red kryptonite. Now it is just a normal blue from the nitrogen/oxygen atmosphere, like most Class M planets.

 

[shapeshifter]

I just figured some special condition existed at the time we see blue sky in the film, perhaps it was during a time of day never shown before or something like an unusual camera angle.

Or, maybe they just changed the color for the Nuverse. In any case; it's no big whoop, to me.

 

[CaptainPipcard]

It's probably the time of day, or maybe something happened in the Nuverse in which the atmosphere's composition was slightly changed, but still breathable. (but it changed the color)

 

[Crazy Eddie]

I doubt that it would turn it blue.

I doubt it was ever NOT blue. The planet has an oxygen atmosphere; scientifically speaking, the Vulcans should be very concerned if it ever turns any other color for a long period of time.

The reddish color is probably the result of atmospheric dust clouds at high altitude and probably comes and goes depending on the time of day. The kinds of gases that would result in a constant red hue at all times would render Vulcan uninhabitable.

And scientifically speaking, transporter technology is impossible due to the physics involved. A lot of the science in Star Trek isn't very scientific. So I'm just going by what was seen. It probably would be dust, but it would be a hell of a coincidence to never see a blue sky on Vulcan during the last 40 years.

What, in the whole eight times we actually saw the sky on Vulcan at all?

Let me ask you this: how many times, in the last 40 years, have we seen a GREY sky over 24th century Earth? I look out the window right now and I see a sky that looks like dingy wool; shouldn't it be blue with some dazzling white clouds?

Real life violates teh canon!

 

[Crazy Eddie]

TMP - pretty red, at least in the theatrical

You're thinking of the director's cut. In the theatrical it was black.

[TNG - GAMBIT (have no recollection of how it looked, but doubt it was blue or I'd remember)

Cave. No sky.

 

[Sector 7]

I doubt it was ever NOT blue. The planet has an oxygen atmosphere; scientifically speaking, the Vulcans should be very concerned if it ever turns any other color for a long period of time.

The reddish color is probably the result of atmospheric dust clouds at high altitude and probably comes and goes depending on the time of day. The kinds of gases that would result in a constant red hue at all times would render Vulcan uninhabitable.

And scientifically speaking, transporter technology is impossible due to the physics involved. A lot of the science in Star Trek isn't very scientific. So I'm just going by what was seen. It probably would be dust, but it would be a hell of a coincidence to never see a blue sky on Vulcan during the last 40 years.

What, in the whole eight times we actually saw the sky on Vulcan at all?

Let me ask you this: how many times, in the last 40 years, have we seen a GREY sky over 24th century Earth? I look out the window right now and I see a sky that looks like dingy wool; shouldn't it be blue with some dazzling white clouds?

Real life violates teh canon!

You make a very good point. Yesterday I saw Carolina Blue sky, beautiful red-orange sunset. Today was dingy grey with clouds and thunderstorms. By some posters' logic, I have been on 3 different Trek planets in 48 hours.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

All this talk of red versus blue sky got me thinking, thank God, the bridge is facing forward in the new movie.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

A forward-facing bridge violates teh canon

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

A forward-facing bridge violates teh canon

To-MAY-toe, to-MAH-toe. Let's call the whole thing off.

 

[BenRoethig]

One thing that popped into my mind about Kelvin is that she might be a Saladin-class ship with that class being re-imagined. The registry and shape (with the addition of the upper Pylon for the deflector and shuttle bay) fit.

 

[Mirren Audax]

It seems that the Kelvin was investigating the anomaly, being in the area, as you do.

But since the prequel comic locates the Hobus star inside Romulan territory, and I assume that the red giant we see as a backdrop for the prologue battle is indeed the star that causes the whole ruckuss in the first place, the question might then evolve to ask what a Federation starship was doing inside Romulan space: could the Kelvin been studying the Hobus star (which was described in Countdown as one of the most ancient in the galaxy), or could the ship have been on a surveillance mission? I assume that no-one has still not seen what a Romulan looks like in the ninety years since the Romulan War?

 

[SalvorHardin]

the question might then evolve to ask what a Federation starship was doing inside Romulan space: could the Kelvin been studying the Hobus star (which was described in Countdown as one of the most ancient in the galaxy), or could the ship have been on a surveillance mission?

The Narada went in the black hole in the Hobus system but as far as I remember nothing indicates that it came out and encountered the Kelvin in the alternate Hobus system.

As a matter of fact,since we are doing comics, the new Star Trek: Nero places the Narada-Kelvin encounter in "The Neutral Zone" in its first page.
They also had to calculate "where and when" Spock would emerge with the Jellyfish

 

[ALF]

I don't know what it was doing. But I liked it.

RED MATTER!

 

[Iamnotspock]

Uh....no.

Uh...yes.

I second the Uh...yes.

No.

Yes.

No.

Yes. I love Italian... and so do you.

Yes.

 

[Sci]

In the past, Vulcan was shown as having a different architecture then that presented in the film

Well, gosh, then. Someone needs to tell the architect of the Empire State Building in New York City that his design created a continuity conflict with the architecture of the Forbidden City in Beijing!

Are you seriously going to try to claim that a planet with six billion people will always have the same style of architecture across its entire surface?

as well as the planet having a rather massive moon.

1. The moon -- referred to as T'Khut, Vulcan's sister planet, in the novel Spock's World -- was removed from the 2001 Director's Edition of Star Trek: The Motion Picture, so its status in the canon is uncertain.

2. You could easily presume that the shots of Vulcan happened to be on the side of the planet not facing T'Khut at the time.

Then there's the atmosphere being now blue instead of rusty.

Dude, look outside your window at different times of the day. Then look at how the color of the sky can change based on your location and on the season. Then sit there and try to tell me with a straight face that Vulcan's atmosphere could never ever have any color other than red rust.

 

[Disillusioned]

So it's just an amazing coincidence that we've pretty consistently seen a non-blue sky every time we were on Vulcan before?

Nah, it's just it's own separate movie and continuity, so it doesn't really matter. This Vulcan's sky is blue, Starfleet has massive ships and a different design aesthetic, there's something called red matter that creates magic time traveling black holes, and Geordi is this universe's Wesley. What does it matter if there isn't any real connection back to the other franchise?

 

[Sci]

So it's just an amazing coincidence that we've pretty consistently seen a non-blue sky every time we were on Vulcan before?

Most of the time if you're on Earth, you'll see a blue sky. That doesn't mean that you won't see a non-blue sky other times of the year, or in other locations.

Nah, it's just it's own separate movie and continuity, so it doesn't really matter. This Vulcan's sky is blue, Starfleet has massive ships and a different design aesthetic,

Is there some reason that Starfleet can't have a different design aesthetic in another timeline? Is there some law that says only one design aesthetic is acceptable?

there's something called red matter that creates magic time traveling black holes,

What, like Trek has ever been particularly plausible about its depictions of time travel? Let's not forget the Magic Flying Ribbon that lets you travel through time and grants wishes; Red Matter is hardly as implausible as that.

What does it matter if there isn't any real connection back to the other franchise?

Actually, what does it matter? There's little connection between The Mists of Avalon and The Once and Future King other than their both being about King Arthur. Does that mean that Mists shouldn't have been written?

 

[Disillusioned]

Most of the time if you're on Earth, you'll see a blue sky. That doesn't mean that you won't see a non-blue sky other times of the year, or in other locations.

So like I've said, it's just an amazing coincidence that we've pretty consistently seen a reddish sky before this movie?

Is there some reason that Starfleet can't have a different design aesthetic in another timeline? Is there some law that says only one design aesthetic is acceptable?

No, I'm just pointing out that even the Kelvin fits much better into this AU Starfleet's design aesthetic than it does in the RU's Starfleet of the same time.

What, like Trek has ever been particularly plausible about its depictions of time travel? Let's not forget the Magic Flying Ribbon that lets you travel through time and grants wishes; Red Matter is hardly as implausible as that.

Well, considering how many people have pointed out that the Nexus would never have been able to go around the galaxy as often as it was stated given its sub-light speed... Yeah, this is right up there with that sort of thing. Kind of like "breaking" a speed that's set up as being a mathematical limit that literally can't be reached, and that somehow causing people to "evolve" into giant catfish amphibian creatures.

Actually, what does it matter? There's little connection between The Mists of Avalon and The Once and Future King other than their both being about King Arthur. Does that mean that Mists shouldn't have been written?

Exactly. Doesn't mean I have to like this version or that I won't mercilessly make fun of it, but I've made peace with the idea that it's its own separate take on the story so to speak. Kind of like all the different versions of X-Men or Batman and the like.