They had several options. Could have at least used the D7 CGI model. The way I've read it, John Eaves had already produced a new ship but "it didn't have enough windows" so they had no choice but to re-use an old model.
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What is THE Worst continuity error in Trek history..?!
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They had several options. Could have at least used the D7 CGI model. The way I've read it, John Eaves had already produced a new ship but "it didn't have enough windows" so they had no choice but to re-use an old model.
Look at it from the opposite angle, though: Since Klingon spaceflight technology is largely stolen from the Hur'q, maybe it's not so unusual that their starship design hasn't advanced very far in centuries.
^ That's more or less than I assumed. Any technological advancement the Klingons had happened in the 23rd and 24th centuries because of their rivalry with the Federation, their alliance with the Romulans and then their alliance with the Federation and rivalry with the Romulans. Before that, they probably just stood still for centuries.
As in 20 year old Picard having a full head of hair in Tapestry, but a photo of 20 year old Picard being bald in Nemesis?The cloaking thing I reckon can easily be explained by someone or retconned, but yeah, those kind of slip-ups are annoying
The one that has always bugged me as I find it lazy and annoying, is the young-old Picard fubar from TNG/Nemesis. I think most people here know what I mean
Some would say it was a lame attempt to convince us that Tom Hardy was a clone of Picard, but I think the answer is clear: future guy giving suliban cloaking technology a 100 years before Balance of Terror obviously alterend the time line, as well as Picard's hair line!
The longer edit of the scene, as featured on the DVD deleted scenes package, doesn't even feature a close-up of the photo at all, and is all the better for it. Beverly and Jean-Luc discuss the photo, but 'we' don't get to see it close up, leaving us much more satisfied that the man in the photo might match the Tapestry-Picard, and not simply Tom Hardy in a 23rd century uniform.
TBH, I'm less bothered by the bald head, than I am that Cadet Picard is not wearing an officer's uniform, but rather that of a non-com. Even as a Cadet he should be dressed in the equivalent officers clothes, unless Starfleet's policy on Cadet's uniforms changed at around the same time as they removed the undershirts from the Monster Maroons.....
I always was under the impression that the non-com uniform was also used for junior cadets, with the more senior cadets (such as Savvik, and the cadet at the beginning of SFS) wearing the officer uniform, with red undershirt in TOS films, and then just the red jacket between then and TNG.
Was there a D-7 CG model at the time? I know they've since created one for TOSR, but I don't think there was one at the time. In fact, even though the Klingon ship in Voyager's Prophecy is referred to as D-7 in dialogue, they used the K't'inga CG model for that episode.
Woops you are correct. I thought the D7 in DS9 as CG but looks like they actually built a model just for that episode.
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Well the premise and plot of "Relativity" is Temporal Star Fleet is using 7 of 9 as an agent, in order to stop Captain Braxton from destroying Voyager.
However, Captain Braxton himself said that he had no recollection of the events that happened to him during season 3's "Future's End Part 1 and 2". Because that timeline no longer existed and the Braxton who Janeway met and the end of "Future's End Part 2", had no idea who she was. Then in "Relativity", he's trying to get revenge on her for what happened in "Future's End".
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Next are the continuity issues brought up in "Relativity".
In "Projections", the Doctor says that he was activated during Caretaker incident. In "Relativity" we see he was activated in dry dock.
Janeway talking to the Admiral about wanting Tom Paris as a pilot for VOY. She says she feels he deserves a second chance. Although in Caretaker, Janeway says she only want Tom because he was a Maqui and could navigate the Badlands for her. Also Tom's "history" with Chakotay was another reason Tom was selected.
Temporal Starfleet and Seven of Nine not understanding pogo/predestination paradoxes. Seven is asked by a Temporal Starfleet guy to give an example of a Pogo Paradox. Seven tells the story of the Borg's attempt to assimilate Earth. Events we saw in the movie FC. However she incorrectly states what we saw, and what the ENT-E crew saw and experienced as part of a causality loop. When it is not.
2373 Earth before Borg time travel
2373 Earth after Borg time travel. Complete with an atmosphere containing high concentrations of methane, carbon monoxide, fluorine and a population of nine billion Borg.
2373 Earth after the ENT-E crew repairs the damage and removes the Borg timeline we the audience and the crew of the ENT-E saw at the beginning of the movie from existing.
It cannot be a predestination/pogo paradox that the Borg would both succeed in assimilating Earth and fail at assimilating Earth. If it was just one timeline that was being rewritten, however, then that could work.
The same way how Trouble with Tribbles and Trials and Tribble-ations can exist. TWT happened originally.
Later, thanks to time travel shenanigans, this became the new history.
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Finally the shenanigans of the final chase of "Relativity". Where Janeway and Seven have to go through multiple points in time to arrest 3 different versions of Captain Braxton. None of it makes sense, but the action is flowing, so the audience doesn't think about the logic and dialogue characters are exposing.
"United Earth Space Probe Agency"
Sounds like a overtly dubious name for an organization that operates a huge fleet of starships and other vessels.
Actually 'overtly cheesy' might be more accurate.
Plus we never hear it mentioned again.
Did Kirk intentionally lie to Captain Christopher?
Sounds like a overtly dubious name for an organization that operates a huge fleet of starships and other vessels.
Actually 'overtly cheesy' might be more accurate.
Plus we never hear it mentioned again.
Did Kirk intentionally lie to Captain Christopher?
First contact with the Borg in "Q Who".
Except the Hansens were on a mission to study the Borg 20 years before in "Dark Frontier"
Except the Enterprise-B rescued refugees from the Borg attack on Guinan's world in "Generations"
Except Captain Archer was battling some "First Contact" survivors in 2152's "Regeneration"
As horrendous as Regeneration is, I like to think that it was some big government conspiracy that hid the true "First Contact" until Picard and Q came along.
For Dark Frontier and Generations though, I got nothing. Nadda. Zilch.
Well the Hansens were not heard from until 7 of 9 was rescued by Voyager. So, their fate, and whom they were trailing was unknown to most, if not everyone. I think of them as eccentrics the public write off as crazy and paid little attention to.
As for Generations, technically, the El Aurians the Enterprise-B rescued were trying to get to the Nexus. But it is hard to believe that none of them mention the Borg and what they did to their home world. One would think they would want to warn others of the Borg.
Wait, what? Where did you get that?
I thought that they were refugees fleeing to Earth from the devastation caused by the Borg who'd gotten caught in the Nexus by accident.
Indeed. Guinan even tells Picard later in the movie that was the first experience she and Soran even had with the Nexus.
He said he was a vegetarian, so I'll take him at his word. Just because he likes replicated pot roast and roast chicken doesn't change his opinion on the eating of formerly living animal meat.
I always saw Chakotay's vegetarianism as one heck of a bad error when they got him eating stuff like chicken, but I totally forgot on what they said about replicators.
Can't remember the episode but I remember Riker saying something about any meat out the replicator is just as 'fresh and tasty' as the real thing but not made from animals. Unless Neelix had any actual meat from somewhere, then I guess that clears it up.
Who knows, he may have done exactly that. They may have arranged to trade for alien food along the way which included meat. In that case Chakotay wouldn't eat it.
I honestly don't know if there would be those who refuse to eat replicated meat, as the morality of the issue would go out the window - replicated food was, by definition, never alive, so what possible moral obligations could there be?
Unless the objection is to the replicator itself, rather than just the food derived from it. In which case Robert Picard would qualify, since he refused to allow replicators in the family home or vineyard.
I think it's an issue most fans don't care about. A ship is a ship (unless it's the Enterprise).
Was not aware of that. Thanks!
This was retconned in ENT episode Regeneration. The crew of the Borg sphere knocked out by Ent-E eventually revived and sent a signal to the Delta quadrant.
I don't recall touching food being taboo. I thought it was just Vulcan table manners.
The mind meld thing wasn't an error as such. The point was that at this time Vulcan was to some extent "fallen" because Surek's knowledge had been lost, but it was rediscovered in ENT season 4, leading to the Vulcan civilisation we know from TOS.
Societies can change quite radically over a short time span.
The biggest continuity glitch in ENT is that they take possession of a Suliban ship with cloaking capability. But I think every series has plot cul-de-sacs that are later ignored.
The biggest problem with NEM is Tom Hardy's lips!
The biggest problem with NEM is Tom Hardy's lips!
Why can't people just accept that the Romulans had a thing for Angelina Jolie and let it go?
The biggest problem with NEM is Tom Hardy's lips!
Why can't people just accept that the Romulans had a thing for Angelina Jolie and let it go?
Is that how they got the "V" in their forehead? Plastic surgery gone wrong?
Also, cloaking tech (and holodeck tech) show up in ENT way to early, in my opinion. I was generally satisfied with how they presented technology, especially with the ship, but some alien technology just felt like it was shoehorned in.
James Romulus Kirk. Awkward.
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