What is THE Worst continuity error in Trek history..?!

[Mr. Laser Beam]

TOS-TNG-DS9 never showed or referenced Archer's Enterprise, and he was Earth's first deep space captain. Even the Enterprise-D computer and the guys from Temporal Investigations (DS9 Trials and Tribblations) only refer to their being 5 Enterprises previously (1701, A, B, C, D).

How could you possibly expect those other shows to make reference to Archer or ST:Enterprise, if that show had not been written yet?

(Besides, there's a USS Archer in Nemesis. )

 

[Melakon]

Even the Enterprise-D computer and the guys from Temporal Investigations (DS9 Trials and Tribblations) only refer to their being 5 Enterprises previously (1701, A, B, C, D).

*cough*

DULMUR: Be specific, Captain. Which Enterprise? There've been five.
LUCSLY: Six.

"Trials and Tribble-ations" aired less than three weeks before First Contact was released with Enterprise-E.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ But that was referring to the Enterprise-E...remember, six FEDERATION starships with that name.

 

[Melakon]

In TMP, there is a scene of Decker showing Robo-Ilia some pictures of ships named Enterprise, including one prior to the Constitution class. There's no canon information whether that unknown ship is Federation or not.

 

[JTShanks]

For me, it would have to be whenever they make an inconsistency with the Warp Drive; I really dislike how it basically has been used to be as fast as they want it to be. That always drived me nuts.

Like for example; in TOS; Season 2: Gamesters of Triskellion, The Enterprise was shown being capable of traversing the Entirety of the Galaxy in only within a couple of days. Meanwhile in the case of Star Trek Voyager as a whole; everything is so far away or did they really mess that up; it did not help that TNG made a similar change as well.

Oh; and in the TOS Episode By Any other Name, they were able to have their engines modified by alien tech to traverse other Galaxies... whatever happened to that?

 

[Mytran]

Rojan took his toys back when he was told to leave the Enterprise, so that's the end of the intergalactic warp drive!

 

[Melakon]

That was his price for restoring the crew from Styrofoam blocks.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

In TMP, there is a scene of Decker showing Robo-Ilia some pictures of ships named Enterprise, including one prior to the Constitution class. There's no canon information whether that unknown ship is Federation or not.

You mean the Ring Ship? It's not Federation.

The reason we know this is because it was shown in two episodes of Enterprise (there's a picture of it on the wall of the 602 Club).

 

[M.A.C.O.]

TOS-TNG-DS9 never showed or referenced Archer's Enterprise, and he was Earth's first deep space captain. Even the Enterprise-D computer and the guys from Temporal Investigations (DS9 Trials and Tribblations) only refer to their being 5 Enterprises previously (1701, A, B, C, D).

How could you possibly expect those other shows to make reference to Archer or ST:Enterprise, if that show had not been written yet?

(Besides, there's a USS Archer in Nemesis. )

USS Archer? Why would they name a ship after Valerie Archer?

She's a Cylon

Hahaha

Even the Enterprise-D computer and the guys from Temporal Investigations (DS9 Trials and Tribblations) only refer to their being 5 Enterprises previously (1701, A, B, C, D).

*cough*

DULMUR: Be specific, Captain. Which Enterprise? There've been five.
LUCSLY: Six.

"Trials and Tribble-ations" aired less than three weeks before First Contact was released with Enterprise-E.

^ But that was referring to the Enterprise-E...remember, six FEDERATION starships with that name.

Thanks mates. I knew Trials and Tribbilations was around the time of FC.

Perhaps Archer was struck from the history books. Maybe Braga's headcanon that Archer became Future Guy, has something to do with it.

lmao

 

[BillJ]

In TMP, there is a scene of Decker showing Robo-Ilia some pictures of ships named Enterprise, including one prior to the Constitution class. There's no canon information whether that unknown ship is Federation or not.

You mean the Ring Ship? It's not Federation.

The reason we know this is because it was shown in two episodes of Enterprise (there's a picture of it on the wall of the 602 Club).

But we don't know what the original intent of the ringship was.

 

[Melakon]

Maybe Braga's headcanon that Archer became Future Guy, has something to do with it.

lmao

Maybe he and Berman should have found someone else to help them create a prequel series, since both admitted not knowing much about TOS. It's not like there weren't any first fandom people around, like Drexler, Okuda, or Sussman.

 

[M.A.C.O.]

Maybe Braga's headcanon that Archer became Future Guy, has something to do with it.

lmao

Maybe he and Berman should have found someone else to help them create a prequel series, since both admitted not knowing much about TOS. It's not like there weren't any first fandom people around, like Drexler, Okuda, or Sussman.

Moore was the TOS fan, but he was doing his Battlestar Galactica reboot and said he didn't want to come back after working (briefly) on VOY.

They had Sussman, as far as Season 2, I believe.

 

[Melakon]

Moore was the TOS fan, but he was doing his Battlestar Galactica reboot and said he didn't want to come back after working (briefly) on VOY.

I wasn't a fan of Moore reinterpreting the Klingons as all about Honor and Duty, when "Balance of Terror" assigned those traits to the Romulans.

 

[uniderth]

But we don't know what the original intent of the ringship was.

I'm pretty sure the intent was to be a ship named Enterprise that existed between the space shuttle and the NCC-1701.

Funny though, if the NX-01 was supposed to be such an amazing pioneering ship that it didn't merit a display in the 1701 recroom.

 

[Shaka Zulu]

- Klingons not having ridges in TOS is fine, but why the batter armor change? How come Kahless is holy in TNG, but not TOS?

Armour changes because there's more money to do things with the Klingons, just as with the ridges. And I always got the feeling that Kahless's being a bad guy was just what the Excalbians thought that Kirk would regard Kahless.

- And the fact that Klingon/human first contact led to decades of war lol.. Archer technically made first contact, he even met the then Klingon Chancellor and High Council.

They didn't say that it was a perfect meeting, just that it happened. Obviously, what Archer 'did' in exploring pissed of a ruling faction in the Empire enough for the Empire to regard Starfleet (and the future Federation after it won the the Romulan War as the COP) as an enemy.

-Oh yeah, and the Trill having spots in DS9, then bumps in TNG lol.. The TNG Trill symbiont seemed to override the host's personality, but in DS9 a host is a mixture of the symbiont's personality, their own personality and those of all previous hosts.

Again, better makeup (and better writing) make all of the difference between that Trill depiction and the most recent Trill depiction. I'll have the latter despite the mistake in continuity.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Moore was the TOS fan, but he was doing his Battlestar Galactica reboot and said he didn't want to come back after working (briefly) on VOY.

I wasn't a fan of Moore reinterpreting the Klingons as all about Honor and Duty, when "Balance of Terror" assigned those traits to the Romulans.

Nah, it assigned those traits to two Romulans. The rest could all be dicks. Pretty sure Decius and the Praetor were.

SPOCK:Earth believes the Romulans to be warlike, cruel, treacherous,

COMMANDER: A message was dispatched. You've broken the rule of silence.
DECIUS: Only in code, Commander. To inform our Praetor of this glorious mission.
COMMANDER: Your carelessness might have ended this glorious mission. You're reduced two steps in rank. Return to post.
CENTURION: Take care, Commander. He has friends, and friends of his kind mean power. And power is danger.

COMMANDER:Obedience. Duty. Death and more death. Soon even enough for the Praetor's taste. Centurion

DECIUS: And it is our duty to crush the Praetor's enemies.
COMMANDER: I do not trust their Captain.
DECIUS: We are in the Neutral Zone. They will not enter. If you refuse, permit me the glory of the kill, Commander.

Their duty was a blind, unquestioning loyalty.

 

[Kor]

Moore was the TOS fan, but he was doing his Battlestar Galactica reboot and said he didn't want to come back after working (briefly) on VOY.

I wasn't a fan of Moore reinterpreting the Klingons as all about Honor and Duty, when "Balance of Terror" assigned those traits to the Romulans.

In my view, the movie-era Klingons were a better extrapolation from the TOS-era depiction than what we got from TNG onward.

I would have preferred the Klingons to have glory as their ideal instead of honor, based on Kor's famous line, "It would have been gloooorious."

Such glory would be accomplished by brutal conquest and treachery. Most would obediently focus on glory for the Empire, while a select extra-devious few seek personal glory.

Then there's the stuff from "Errand of Mercy" about Klingons being efficient soldiers (not "warriors"), and working perfectly as a single unit. It's hard to imagine all the honor-spouting viking biker-gang cavemen from later Trek working in such a manner.

Kor

 

[eyeresist]

I would have preferred the Klingons to have glory as their ideal instead of honor, based on Kor's famous line, "It would have been gloooorious."

Such glory would be accomplished by brutal conquest and treachery. Most would obediently focus on glory for the Empire, while a select extra-devious few seek personal glory.

You're right. In a way, the later Trek writers shot themselves in the foot by confusing the terms. Klingons spout on about honour, but glory is really what they are after.

 

[Nerys Myk]

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[The Wormhole]

Ah, classic wide-eyed Gowron.