Poll What fans of the other Star Trek series are enjoying Discovery so far?

[Refuge]

Who is "they"? The last twelve years- yeah, paramount went with a reboot. They didn't continue the TNG era even though they wanted to a few years earlier, and Berman, understandably didn't want to do more TNG era. This reboot film series did well until the 3rd movie.

Discovery is different. It is not "avoiding" the 24th century. It produced Fuller's vision for a first season, even if he was fired. And we don't know what's to come, but the 24th century was originally part of that plan.

Saying they've avoided the TNG era for 12 years, (as if there is some kind of aversion to it) is the same as saying they haven't produced a series in 12 years. The studio doesn't care what era it's in as long as it sells. The first one to break from the Berman era was Berman, the TNG king, if for no other reason than being sick of it, even the studio wanted more of it.

Also, Nemesis did very well in DVD sales, having the number 1 spot in the US and UK the week it was released on DVD. Did the studio break even? We don't know. Probably not.

Did the studio break even on Beyond? We don't know. Probably not.

TNG First Contact was very successful. Insurrection much less so, but enough to merit an additional, and unplanned sequel, Nemesis, which flopped(Even if it ended up doing extremely well in DVD sales and rentals).

ST09 was very successful, STID less so, but certainly good enough to merit an additional sequel, Beyond, which flopped(even if it ended up doing very well in DVD/BR sales).

Should there be an aversion to the reboot Kirk era as well?

It's just your opinion/perception, and just my opinion/perception disagreeing,and seeing it differently. There's nothing to refute.

It's like when people say "Killed the franchise." the franchise has never stopped, not even for a year since maybe the 70's, and even then there were projects and plans in the works for Trek the whole time.

I think there is understandably a 'nervous' reaction that Discovery being a prequel has retarded the franchise. That it might not make two seasons let alone three, four or seven. Going back in time was both safe and weak. I fully expect the time frame to go forward after the Discovery experiment runs its course.

I don't understand how there is a thought TNG killed the franchise, it re-invigorated it. DS9 didn't kill it. It was followed by Voyager. Each of those proved themselves with seven season of popularity. Enterprise followed and still had four seasons. Too early to declare Discovery is anything other than five episodes one season in. It could be Trek's death knell for all we know or it might limp on. Who knows?

 

[BillJ]

https://deadline.com/2010/07/studio...f-warner-bros-phony-baloney-accounting-51886/

As one dealmaker tells me: “If this is the fair definition of net profits, why do we continue to pretend and go through this charade? Judging by this, no movie is ever, ever going to go to pay off on net participants. It’s an illusion to make writers, and lower-level actors and filmmakers feel they have a stake in the game.”

 

[Refuge]

Here's the thiing I seriously doubt TNG had a wider audience then TOS as TOS was in syndication successfully for 18 years since TNG debuted and actually remained in syndication during TNG's run. Also, the JJ Verse films have brought new fans of the TOS era as well.

Yes, TNG was successful, but wider and more successful then TOS which is still aired to this day, and has been in some form since 1966 - sorry, no.

Actually I didn't make a TOS comparison myself. As far as I'm concerned they are two different 'beasts'. Strictly speaking TOS didn't run for as long but being older has had more re-runs. Yet it is the Daddy of us all, and it IS special - my opinion. I like TNG too though as it brought things back. Heck I like the TNG, DS9, Voyager era and understand there are fans of Enterprise. It's all good looking in its context.

 

[Noname Given]

I don't understand how there is a thought TNG killed the franchise...

No one is saying TNG 'killed the franchise' - they're saying "ST:NEM killed interest in producing more of the 24th/25th century era of the franchise."

Paramount and CBS took the franchise back to the era that was the MOST SUCCESSFUL <--- and that is in fact the 23rd century TOS era - and their instincts proved correct as two out of 3 feature films were BO hits; with a third underperforming - but still not outright bombing to the degree ST:NEM did.

And like it or not, ST: D continues the trend of sticking to that era being popular because it is showing to be a hit for CBSAA (and increasing subs for that platform) and Netflix Internationally (it has the second highest interest after GoT by most available data.)

 

[Longinus]

Paramount and CBS took the franchise back to the era that was the MOST SUCCESSFUL <--- and that is in fact the 23rd century TOS era

Which makes sense. What makes way less sense is then change everything about that era so that it is pretty much unrecognisable.

 

[137th Gebirg]

I don't understand how there is a thought TNG killed the franchise, it re-invigorated it. DS9 didn't kill it. It was followed by Voyager.

Quite right. Voyager definitely killed it!

 

[BillJ]

Quite right. Voyager definitely killed it!

Over saturation killed it. As big of a Trek fan as I am, I slowly just got bored with Trek. There was only so many times you could go to the same well in that compressed of time period.

 

[Refuge]

A lot of this doesn't ring true. Enterprise followed Voyager and now Discovery has followed Enterprise. I'm more worried that Discovery is killing the franchise.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Nah. Trek started jumping the shark with Voyager and Enterprise finished it off for over a decade. There honestly isn’t anywhere Disco can take the franchise but up at this point. IMO, of course.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

By the last couple of seasons of Voyager, you can really feel the fatigue setting. I feel Voyager declined significantly once Jeri Taylor left and Michael Piller reduced his involvement. Once DS9 ended its run, Voyager failed to pick up those fans and it's ratings declined, hence why they pulled stunts like having The Rock guest star. Voyagers contribution to the decline of the franchise is mostly in part to its new showrunner Brannon Braga not having the same love for it as Jeri Taylor. I think if the had brought on Ronald D. Moore or allowed Bryan Fuller a shot at being executive producer, we may not have seen the decline that occurred under Brannon Braga and Rick Berman.

Berman and Braga went with a series set in the 22nd century but then proceeded to throw in 24th century elements like Klingons, the ferengi and the Borg and that stupid temporal cold war in the first 2 seasons. The lack of faith in their own product kinda sealed the deal for Enterprise. At least Enterprise started taking risks in season 3 and 4 but by then it was too late.

 

[ichab]

By the last couple of seasons of Voyager, you can really feel the fatigue setting. I feel Voyager declined significantly once Jeri Taylor left and Michael Piller reduced his involvement. Once DS9 ended its run, Voyager failed to pick up those fans and it's ratings declined, hence why they pulled stunts like having The Rock guest star. Voyagers contribution to the decline of the franchise is mostly in part to its new showrunner Brannon Braga not having the same love for it as Jeri Taylor. I think if the had brought on Ronald D. Moore or allowed Bryan Fuller a shot at being executive producer, we may not have seen the decline that occurred under Brannon Braga and Rick Berman.

Berman and Braga went with a series set in the 22nd century but then proceeded to throw in 24th century elements like Klingons, the ferengi and the Borg and that stupid temporal cold war in the first 2 seasons. The lack of faith in their own product kinda sealed the deal for Enterprise. At least Enterprise started taking risks in season 3 and 4 but by then it was too late.

Agreed . It's really too bad that Enterprise didn't get show runners with a fresh approach because the cast was excellent.

 

[Prax]

Why do you keep repeating this lie sbout Beyond? It has no basis in fact.

"Keep repeating"? I reiterated once, as I was misquoted. "This lie"? Notice I said "possibly." There is no way to know with certainty. The bigger flop is the one that lost more money. As Beyond is the film that cost 3x more to make, it has the potential to lose more. In fact all of the movies except TMP, were relatively small scale compared to ST09 and onward.

There is no need for calling someone a liar on a speculative comment, just like there was no need for a "refutation" of your own speculations that there is some sort of aversion to the 24th century. That's your own view, and a generalization of many different people, in different places, positions, and at different times, and based simply on the fact that the reboot films chose the Kirk era.

It ain't like they were going to talk about rebooting the TNG cast just 4 years after their last film.

 

[Refuge]

"Keep repeating"? I reiterated once, as I was misquoted. "This lie"? Notice I said "possibly." There is no way to know with certainty. The bigger flop is the one that lost more money. As Beyond is the film that cost 3x more to make, it has the potential to lose more. In fact all of the movies except TMP, were relatively small scale compared to ST09 and onward.

There is no need for calling someone a liar on a speculative comment, just like there was no need for a "refutation" of your own speculations that there is some sort of aversion to the 24th century. That's your own view, and a generalization of many different people, in different places, positions, and at different times, and based simply on the fact that the reboot films chose the Kirk era.

It ain't like they were going to talk about rebooting the TNG cast just 4 years after their last film.

It's probably richly unfair to point fingers at successful shows anyway, in my opinion. I know not everyone liked Enterprise but I don't blame the show for us being left with Discovery. When Discovery completes its run it will be just be part of the landscape. If it survives three years I will be amazed. Seven will be a miracle.

 

[Prax]

It's probably richly unfair to point fingers at successful shows anyway, in my opinion. I know not everyone liked Enterprise but I don't blame the show for us being left with Discovery. When Discovery completes its run it will be just be part of the landscape. If it survives three years I will be amazed. Seven will be a miracle.

I'm not saying this is necessarily the case here, but there seems to be a tendency, when defending one show, to disparage another.

 

[Refuge]

I'm not saying this is necessarily the case here, but there seems to be a tendency, when defending one show, to disparage another.

Yep

 

[Mirror Mirror]

It does not shock me most like are DS9 fans as they have the same tone. I am also not shocked TOS fans so far like it the lest.

 

[fireproof78]

I'm not saying this is necessarily the case here, but there seems to be a tendency, when defending one show, to disparage another.

Yes, and it is getting rather ridiculous. Why just say "I don't like this show" or "I like this show." Why the constant need to create a competition? It devalues both and deprives them of anything like a fair chance of evaluation.

Both shows will get cancelled and the other will be blamed. What a ridiculous state of affairs.

It does not shock me most like are DS9 fans as they have the same tone. I am also not shocked TOS fans so far like it the lest.

Not all TOS fans, at least for my part.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

Not all TOS fans, at least for my part.

Just in the poll here. That is all we have to go on right now. Most the push back however, seem to be from TOS "purists"

 

[Vger23]

It does not shock me most like are DS9 fans as they have the same tone. I am also not shocked TOS fans so far like it the lest.

But, on the flip...TOS fans are also second-highest on the"like it" side.

Just in the poll here. That is all we have to go on right now. Most the push back however, seem to be from TOS "purists"

I actually think you're misreading this. Most of the pushback actually comes from TNG and VOY fans who are dismayed that we don't have a sequel to those shows and that the tone doesn't match those shows.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Just in the poll here. That is all we have to go on right now. Most the push back however, seem to be from TOS "purists"

Discovery makes baby Genus Roddenchrist (and his most devout disciples) cry.