THIS. With some variation, I want THIS.
Poll What fans of the other Star Trek series are enjoying Discovery so far?
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THIS. With some variation, I want THIS.
If that era had been popular enough they would have never considered going prequal. They realised that style of show had become passe and needed to be changed. Too bad they didn't stick with that. Example 1 proves my point
The fact that TOS crew was considered "higher brand" than TNG even though first run TNG was on the air longer and was the most recent speaks volumes. Plus the fact that Nemesis lost to a jennifer lopez movie on opening weekend proved that it's popularity had waned.
Example 2 proves my point
Which again, is the era before TNG.
Example 3 proves my point
Would love to see links on this. Until then, this is just heresay.
They've only been avoiding it for the past twelve years since they pissed the fans off with that ENT ending.
The thing about TOS, DS9 and DSC is that they managed to do hopeful and optimistic universe without making their characters perfect.
In DSC especially we get to see characters recognise their flaws and try to fix them (Saru is an example). That would not happen in NuBSG. You also would not get the end to Episode 5 in NuBSG.
In DSC especially we get to see characters recognise their flaws and try to fix them (Saru is an example). That would not happen in NuBSG. You also would not get the end to Episode 5 in NuBSG.
Nemesis most definitely wasn't TNG-like Star Trek...
As Voyager was in it's sixth season, Paramount executives asked Berman to begin work on a new series. They wanted another show set in the post-Voyager world. Berman suggested waiting at least a year or two before making another Star Trek, that they were risking oversaturating the brand. They told him that if he didn't do it, they would find someone who would, So he took Brannon Braga off Voyager, and they began developing an alternative, what would become Enterprise. It was conceived as a sequel to First Contact(One of the most popular Trek movies of all), set 100 years later, and 100-200 years before the settings of the other series. It was also conceived as a much more serialized drama, where the whole first season would take place on earth.
The studio said "No, it needs to be 'ship show' and we want it in the 24th/25th century like the others." Braga had been writing a treatment for a "time cop" type series(unrelated to Trek) and combined that with Enterprise, and told execs "Okay, we'll do this temporal cold war thing, and some of the series will take place in the future."
TNG was so far, the most profitable Trek series to date, with the widest audience. Nemesis was one of the biggest financial failures, possibly only surpassed by Star Trek Beyond. Irony?
Here you go.
https://www.google.com/search?redir...id-browser-type&qsubts=1508508010064&devloc=0
An excerpt:
"According to Fuller, his vision would begin with a prequel series (Discovery is set before Star Trek: The Original Series), and would continue through the eras that followed in Voyager, The Next Generation,Deep Space Nine, and beyond. CBS instead decided to move forward with a serialized season, and would see how audiences responded."
They've been avoiding the TNG era because they pissed off fans with Enterprise?? argh??
Keep in mind, work on the 09 film began almost immediately after the cancellation of Enterprise.
It's hard to parse the results here, but the highest percentages of positive reception look like TOS and DS9 fans, which makes a fair amount of sense.
I voted as a TOS fan, and don't think much of the show (surprise!). I'd say I'm a pretty tepid follower of all the 80s-90s shows, with DS9 and Voyager being my least favorites.
I voted as a TOS fan, and don't think much of the show (surprise!). I'd say I'm a pretty tepid follower of all the 80s-90s shows, with DS9 and Voyager being my least favorites.
I can't vote because there was no "Star Treks are my favorite series and I have feelings of uncertainty and a sprinkle of consternation for Discovery."
Each series shares a different commonality with TOS. TNG might be the most similar. Voyager has that aspect of being in unexplored space, constantly meeting new aliens, and crises that follow. This was the bulk of TOS stories. DS9 and Ent(and Discovery) are probably the most different(from TOS).
And DS9, Voy, and Ent have a pretty even share of light, humorous, adventurous, dark, and very dark, and controversial stories.
I would say that the only series with perfect, TNG-like characters...is TNG, not DS9, Voy, Ent, or even the TNG movies. TOS characters aren't always perfect, but often are, and are always hyper competent. Ent is probably the closest to Discovery, with flawed characters, who make mistakes, who have lots of conflict with each other. They just didn't make them all narcissistic a-holes like BSG(no offense to the BSG fans)
Each series shares a different commonality with TOS. TNG might be the most similar. Voyager has that aspect of being in unexplored space, constantly meeting new aliens, and crises that follow. This was the bulk of TOS stories. DS9 and Ent(and Discovery) are probably the most different(from TOS).
And DS9, Voy, and Ent have a pretty even share of light, humorous, adventurous, dark, and very dark, and controversial stories.
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Sorry, but the numbers don't add up.
Source: boxofficemojo.com
Nemesis
Cost: 60 million
Worldwide gross: 67 million
Beyond:
Cost: 185 million
Worldwide gross: 343 million
While Beyond was disappointing, it was no where near the failure of Nemesis.
Fuller and his vision left early due to disagreements with CBS. Do you have links supporting the notion that the current regime is interested in doing that?
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Except that it starred the entire TNG cast.
Primarily a TOS fan, though I think DS9 is "better." I love DSC.
Still. At that point they had pretty much abandoned everything that made TNG good. The audience reaction was as expected.
Now add in the roughly $125 Million in marketing costs. Then all the other factors, and how the pie gets divided...It most likely lost studio money.
This was what I said:
"Discovery was conceived as an anthology show.They (Fuller & Co) again, wanted to do something different, so they pick an incident mentioned in the various series, and season 1 is a Klingon war, season 2 is in the TOS movie era, season 3 in early-mid 24th century, season 4 in the late 24th century."
The link is referencing an interview with Fuller where he describes what I have said. I never gave the notion the "current regime" is still interested in doing that.
So with Enterprise, you have the studio wanting TNG era, and the producers wanting a break. I mean Berman only produced 21 SEASONS of TNG era Trek. If he had resigned, we would have gotten another TNG era show. He probably called up Dick Wolf for encouragement.
And with Discovery, the producer wanted to do all eras, and the studio wants to take it one step at a time. And that plan for anthology seasons might very well still happen in one shape or another. We have no idea if season 2, which is tentatively planned for 2019, will be "the further adventures of Burnham" or not.
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TOS fan. I like some aspects, but somehow I don't find the show as compelling as I was hoping. I'm glad that we didn't get more TNG utopian gobbledygook. But a little more levity would be nice, instead of everyone being perpetually snappy toward each other.
At this point, what i enjoy most are the visuals, and having a no-nonsense antihero in the captain's seat.
Kor
At this point, what i enjoy most are the visuals, and having a no-nonsense antihero in the captain's seat.
Kor
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...and add in the money that was made on dvd, blu ray and digital download. Now do the same for Nemesis. Still not even close
None of which refutes what I said. I'm not talking about what happened after Voyager. I'm talking about what happened after Nemesis and Enterprise failed.
A producer who is no longer here and a studio who wanted to start on any timeline except TNG.
I agree. So as of right now, the franchise has STILL not touched TNG era trek since the last episode of Enterprise. If they go back to it later fine. But still doesn't change the fact that they've been avoiding it for twelve years now.
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Interesting! I'm a Niner and very much liking Disco. I had no idea I would actually be running with the majority here on this poll, with TOS fans in close second (which I agree with - TOS is my second favorite Trek series). I wonder if that's because some folks (like me) think Lorca is a lot like Sisko in many ways.
Well it's kind of early to tell, but it looks like Discovery is kicking ass with the Niners
Also interesting that the "Do not like" remains the minority as a whole. Shades of 2009 when the haters were so vocal they actually started getting interviews with Wired writers but all the polls suggested they were far in the minority.
The empty can rattles the most...
There are plenty of indicators that the show is pretty well liked, but I'd say that drawing such conclusions from this poll would be highly unwise. A poll on Discovery subsection of the forums will obviously have a great number of people voting who like the show, most people who have given up on the show won't be hanging on this forum.
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Yeah, "Star Trek: Nemesis" proved how popular that era still is...oh, wait...
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Yeah, no:
ST:NEM Bombed BIG TIME:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=startrek10.htm
Cost: $60 million - brought in $67 million
STB underperformed vs expectations, but it was hardly a bomb:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=startrek2016.htm
Cost: $185 million - brought in: $358 million
Again, overall STB did not do well, but comparatively it did not outright bomb like ST:NEM
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DS9 is my favourite - so far. Discovery might actually take the top spot before long
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