What Changes Would You Have For "Day of the Dove"?
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This may sound a little strange, but this ep is a good place to get creative with new CGI shots of the Enterrpise.
There's a few seconds at the very beginning of the Teaser where the Enterprise arrives at Beta XII-A, where the CBS-D crew could really do something. They should show the Enterprise rapidly swooping in on the planetoid. Kirk & Co. are in a hurry to get there.
The scene where the Enterprise destroys the Klingon starship is long enough to be creative there, too. At least two shots should be used there. There should be a really violent, colorful explosion. Does anyone else think it's about time to show the Enterprise firing it's flank phaser canons, instead of always using the forward ones?
It's about time CBS-D shows a good blurry image of the Enterprise really streaking at high warp, too.
There's a few seconds at the very beginning of the Teaser where the Enterprise arrives at Beta XII-A, where the CBS-D crew could really do something. They should show the Enterprise rapidly swooping in on the planetoid. Kirk & Co. are in a hurry to get there.
The scene where the Enterprise destroys the Klingon starship is long enough to be creative there, too. At least two shots should be used there. There should be a really violent, colorful explosion. Does anyone else think it's about time to show the Enterprise firing it's flank phaser canons, instead of always using the forward ones?
It's about time CBS-D shows a good blurry image of the Enterprise really streaking at high warp, too.
I expect the ordinarily remastered type space scenes, unless the CBS Digital crew had enough time in their schedule to be "creative"
Change the FX in the last scene so the location of the entities exit from the ship is at the impulse deck (deck 7)instead of the secondary hull, since this is clearly where the engine room must be according to all the dialogue! I bet a million quatloos Akuda wont do it! Whose with me?
^ How could the engineering section be in the saucer, when the nacelles don't connect there?
Early on in the ep, the alien took control of the Enterprise and sent the ship toward the Galaxy's edge at Warp 9. Uhura reported that "emergency bulkheads have closed", trapping about 400 of the Enterprise's crew on the lower levels.
Since it was made clear that the lower decks are inaccessable to both Kirk's forces and the Klingons, the "engineering" scene at the end of the ep can only have taken place on the impulse deck in the saucer section.
Hence, the final confrontation with the alien had to have taken place on the impulse deck. The only way that the warp drive engineering station could have been accessible to both Kirk's forces and the Klingons would be if the bulk of the Enterprise's crew had been trapped in the very bottom of the secondary hull, on just a few decks. That's a relatively small place to trap nearly 400 people, and it doesn't make sense how they all just happened to be there to get stranded in the first place.
Since it was made clear that the lower decks are inaccessable to both Kirk's forces and the Klingons, the "engineering" scene at the end of the ep can only have taken place on the impulse deck in the saucer section.
Hence, the final confrontation with the alien had to have taken place on the impulse deck. The only way that the warp drive engineering station could have been accessible to both Kirk's forces and the Klingons would be if the bulk of the Enterprise's crew had been trapped in the very bottom of the secondary hull, on just a few decks. That's a relatively small place to trap nearly 400 people, and it doesn't make sense how they all just happened to be there to get stranded in the first place.
To me, the destruction of the Klingon ship is one of the best special effects sequences ever done on the original series.
Run it in slow motion and you can really appreciate it.
You see the phaser beams enter the scene. One strikes the forward hull of the Klingon cruiser. One strikess the aft hull.
A massive explosion takes place at the spots the phasers strike, a debris cloud forms and the ship is vaporized.
Very well done.
Run it in slow motion and you can really appreciate it.
You see the phaser beams enter the scene. One strikes the forward hull of the Klingon cruiser. One strikess the aft hull.
A massive explosion takes place at the spots the phasers strike, a debris cloud forms and the ship is vaporized.
Very well done.
Locking up 400 people while letting Kirk and a few dozen of his friends roam the bridge, the armory, the sickbay and warp engineering... You simply can't do that by drawing a simple plane across the ship, dividing it to "locked half" and "free half". Most of the people would be in the saucer anyway, so even the area of the impulse engines would be out of Kirk's reach if half his people really sat behind a simple dividing plane.
And as soon as we start to accept that the lock-up pattern was complex, we may just as well go all the way and accept that we cannot tell where the various locations were within the ship in "Day of the Dove". Not by the corridor shots and the dialogue alone. Engineering could be next to the impulse engines, or in the secondary hull, or up in one or both of the nacelles, or perhaps directly below the bridge.
What the dialogue does tell us is that the Klingons are in control of the ship at "deck 6 and starboard deck 7", while the heroes control "all sections above". Now that would suggest that somebody is disputing the Klingon control of portside deck 7. Is that the alien, preventing access to lower decks? Or is that Kirk, preventing access to the upper ones? After all, we have no reason to think the writer of this particular episode would have intended the deck numbers to grow from top towards the bottom...
Then again, other writers usually seemed to think that the numbers grew from top to bottom. I see no possibility of solving this one way or another by tweaking with the visuals alone. Not unless the scene where the alien departs is filmed as a massive zoom-out through the hull, showing the starting point of that curvy path in detail, inside the ship!
Timo Saloniemi
And as soon as we start to accept that the lock-up pattern was complex, we may just as well go all the way and accept that we cannot tell where the various locations were within the ship in "Day of the Dove". Not by the corridor shots and the dialogue alone. Engineering could be next to the impulse engines, or in the secondary hull, or up in one or both of the nacelles, or perhaps directly below the bridge.
What the dialogue does tell us is that the Klingons are in control of the ship at "deck 6 and starboard deck 7", while the heroes control "all sections above". Now that would suggest that somebody is disputing the Klingon control of portside deck 7. Is that the alien, preventing access to lower decks? Or is that Kirk, preventing access to the upper ones? After all, we have no reason to think the writer of this particular episode would have intended the deck numbers to grow from top towards the bottom...
Then again, other writers usually seemed to think that the numbers grew from top to bottom. I see no possibility of solving this one way or another by tweaking with the visuals alone. Not unless the scene where the alien departs is filmed as a massive zoom-out through the hull, showing the starting point of that curvy path in detail, inside the ship!
Timo Saloniemi
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