What are your thoughts about seeing the prime universe again?

[Kahless the Unforgettable]

They have a common history pre-incursion, but how are they "inextricably and forever linked" when they are now totally and forever separate?

Because they're not? They both have the exact same history pre-incursion and until Nimoy/Spock's death, even featured a character that linked them both even more strongly. How is that not "inextricably and forever linked," particularly in regards to the shared history?

That's like saying that if we start a Mars colony, anyone who goes to Mars is now no longer linked to Earth in any way, shape, or form, and never has been and never will be. It's kind of silly.

 

[fireproof78]

Let's not forget about the Q.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

That's like saying that if we start a Mars colony, anyone who goes to Mars is now no longer linked to Earth in any way, shape, or form, and never has been and never will be. It's kind of silly.

Until we declare our independence and go to war against our former Terran masters…

 

[Tenacity]

Star Trek is not real life, and its writers can do whatever they want with it.

Of course, that doesn't translate into people will automatically watch whatever the writers want to put into the show.

Just being Star Trek will get me to watch the free pilot, but given that i'm going to have to pay to watch basically one show (TBS already has TBBT and 2BG) on a pay channel, the show's going to have on grab me with one viewing of the pilot's universe.

 

[JWPlatt]

That's like saying that if we start a Mars colony, anyone who goes to Mars is now no longer linked to Earth in any way, shape, or form, and never has been and never will be.

Colonists on Mars would not be in a new Universe completely separate from ours under the quantum physics' Many-worlds Interpretation as was used in Star Trek XI's plot device.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Colonists on Mars would not be in a new Universe completely separate from ours under the quantum physics' Many-worlds Interpretation as was used in Star Trek XI's plot device.

I think you missed the point.

 

[JWPlatt]

I think you're fond of saying that. I found three pages of search hits on your utterance of the phrase. Try adding to the discussion instead.

 

[Ovation]

Then you've truly missed the point.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I think you're fond of saying that. I found three pages of search hits on your utterance of the phrase. Try adding to the discussion instead.

Okay, Why don't you reread what he wrote and take another stab at figuring out his point. Then you can add something worthwhile to the discussion. That might be a better use of your time than searching how many times a poster uses a particular phrase.

 

[JWPlatt]

Then you've truly missed the point.

Okay, here's your precious point contradicted: nuTrek may very well become a curiosity; an ultimately failed experiment in the reboot fad. And the so-called "inextricable link" will rust and fall away from memory into dust except for the few who cling, for whatever reason, to the notion that Star Trek is not in our own optimistic, inspirational, Prime future. People here on these forums have called me pedantic, but then use the absence of Trek's Eugenics War and the absence of a launch of supermen in 1996 to prove the failure of those predictions and therefore Trek cannot be Prime. ... Pffft. nuTrek has 13.8 billion years of primeTrek in its past, but primeTrek has nothing of nuTrek it needs to respect. "The chain is broken. Its links have been cut. [sic]"

 

[TRON JA307020]

Because they're not? They both have the exact same history pre-incursion and until Nimoy/Spock's death, even featured a character that linked them both even more strongly. How is that not "inextricably and forever linked," particularly in regards to the shared history?

That's like saying that if we start a Mars colony, anyone who goes to Mars is now no longer linked to Earth in any way, shape, or form, and never has been and never will be. It's kind of silly.

Actually they producers have mentioned that the pre history may be different and that the Nardas incursion may have changed things before it appeared. Unfortunately the two universe are linked because Prime Spock unfortunately died in the NuTrek universe. So yeah unfortunately you are correct and the universes are forever linked. The good thing is the 4th movie will likely be the last since the last one did the lowest box office of the three and barely made a domestic profit. So once the 4th movie with a smaller budget fails to make any real money I think the NuTrek universe will be put on hold for a while. Hopefully forever. Of course they will remake TNG in the NuTrek universe probably 10 years after the fourth movie.

 

[BillJ]

Okay, here's your precious point contradicted: nuTrek may very well become a curiosity; an ultimately failed experiment in the reboot fad. And the so-called "inextricable link" will rust and fall away from memory into dust except for the few who cling, for whatever reason, to the notion that Star Trek is not in our own optimistic, inspirational, Prime future. People here on these forums have called me pedantic, but then use the absence of Trek's Eugenics War and the absence of a launch of supermen in 1996 to prove the failure of those predictions and therefore Trek cannot be Prime. ... Pffft. nuTrek has 13.8 billion years of primeTrek in its past, but primeTrek has nothing of nuTrek it needs to respect. "The chain is broken. Its links have been cut. [sic]"

This reads like gibberish. Trek isn't our future, or universe, and never was. From Voyager being present during the Big Bang, orbital nuclear platforms in 1968 or even eugenic/genetic supermen.

One timeline doesn't make Trek what it is. Trek is a vehicle of the imagination. I find forever being chained to one timeline pretty unimaginative, and not in the spirit of Trek.

 

[Ovation]

Okay, here's your precious point contradicted: nuTrek may very well become a curiosity; an ultimately failed experiment in the reboot fad. And the so-called "inextricable link" will rust and fall away from memory into dust except for the few who cling, for whatever reason, to the notion that Star Trek is not in our own optimistic, inspirational, Prime future. People here on these forums have called me pedantic, but then use the absence of Trek's Eugenics War and the absence of a launch of supermen in 1996 to prove the failure of those predictions and therefore Trek cannot be Prime. ... Pffft. nuTrek has 13.8 billion years of primeTrek in its past, but primeTrek has nothing of nuTrek it needs to respect. "The chain is broken. Its links have been cut. [sic]"

Humour. It is a difficult concept.

You're waaaaay overthinking my post.

And...It's. All. Star. Trek. (No matter how many different iterations of it there are or will be--so "inextricably linked" still applies.)

 

[BillJ]

And...It's. All. Star. Trek.

I really don't understand why this is such a difficult concept?

 

[Ovation]

I really don't understand why this is such a difficult concept?

It's not.

 

[TRON JA307020]

This reads like gibberish. Trek isn't our future, or universe, and never was. From Voyager being present during the Big Bang, orbital nuclear platforms in 1968 or even eugenic/genetic supermen.

One timeline doesn't make Trek what it is. Trek is a vehicle of the imagination. I find forever being chained to one timeline pretty unimaginative, and not in the spirit of Trek.

The Prime universe is the original universe and has the most stories by far. Its where Star Trek began and is the spirit of Star Trek. Parallel universe have served as story point for the series and now the rebooted movies which are likely going to be ending after the 4th. Its easier to mine the richer Prime universe then to mine the NuTrek movie universe which doesn't have the rich history and stories to draw from. I mean did you get all emotional when NuKirk died in the 2nd movie? Probably not because there wasn't a shared history between the characters save one movie and it was hard to really care. Also we are already at Enterprise 1701-A. Nope the Prime universe took over 40 years to develop and has a much richer and detailed tapestry. I mean NuKirk at 30 is asking to be a Admiral in STB when it took Prime Kirk until at least 40 to get his promotion and at that point he hadn't even lost a ship yet or let massive destruction happen on Earth. The movies are moving things along to fast and unrealistically where its gotten to the point where its hard to really care what the characters are going through.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

NuKirk at 30 is asking to be a Admiral in STB when it took Prime Kirk until at least 40 to get his promotion

I pretty much agree with everything else you said but I have to set the record straight here. Prime Kirk was 37 years old when he was made an admiral.

 

[JWPlatt]

I really don't understand why this is such a difficult concept?

I love ironic posts.

 

[Phoenix219]

Because they're not? They both have the exact same history pre-incursion and until Nimoy/Spock's death, even featured a character that linked them both even more strongly. How is that not "inextricably and forever linked," particularly in regards to the shared history?

That's like saying that if we start a Mars colony, anyone who goes to Mars is now no longer linked to Earth in any way, shape, or form, and never has been and never will be. It's kind of silly.

The Shared History makes me really wonder.... are there time remnants/fragments of the original timeline still running around out there? If you looked at 1986 or 1966, would there still be versions of the prime TOS crew existin at those moments in the past? Its a shared history, and the physical presence of them in the timeline of the past, was present well before the Nero rewrite. In my personal take on time travel, what is physically done is physically done (hence Spock Prime still existing), and if he exists as a lynchpin in the timeline, then his own past actions should as well. I am convinced if the Nu Crew found the Guardian and examined its history, Prime Kirk and Company would still be all over the timeline in the 20th century.

 

[fireproof78]

The Prime universe is the original universe and has the most stories by far. Its where Star Trek began and is the spirit of Star Trek. Parallel universe have served as story point for the series and now the rebooted movies which are likely going to be ending after the 4th. Its easier to mine the richer Prime universe then to mine the NuTrek movie universe which doesn't have the rich history and stories to draw from. I mean did you get all emotional when NuKirk died in the 2nd movie?

Let me stop you right there-yes, I did. I have a deeper connection to nu-Kirk than I ever had with Prime Kirk, and I grew up with TOS on VHS.

Probably not because there wasn't a shared history between the characters save one movie and it was hard to really care. Also we are already at Enterprise 1701-A. Nope the Prime universe took over 40 years to develop and has a much richer and detailed tapestry. I mean NuKirk at 30 is asking to be a Admiral in STB when it took Prime Kirk until at least 40 to get his promotion and at that point he hadn't even lost a ship yet or let massive destruction happen on Earth. The movies are moving things along to fast and unrealistically where its gotten to the point where its hard to really care what the characters are going through.

NuKirk has lost and gained more than Prime Kirk has at 30. The loss of his mentor in PIke, after only recently finding his mentor, is a blow that may be difficult to manage.

While I can appreciate the idea that they are going too fast, as the pacing is much quicker than TOS or their film ever were, it also is a reflection of a generational gap. Working with younger people (20-30 year olds) like I do there is not an appreciation of things lasting a long time. Young people now a days do not appreciate staying one place, one job, one house, as long as I did, or appreciating why a history can make a difference.

Now, before I'm flayed for knocking the shared history of Star Trek for the sake of a generational difference, I personally love the shared history. But, it isn't necessary for me to form an emotional connection in the way that others need.

As for the spirit of Star Trek-that can be in many different forms. It doesn't have to be Prime in order for me to find optimism in it.