What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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I am unabashedly optimistic. I don't need a TV show to inspire that. I work with humans on a daily basis to support building optimism, hope and personal responsibility to make changes. That's my bread and butter.
But, the flip side of my optimism is the fact that it takes hard work. I love TOS but even they acknowledged that humanity had to go through some harsh times before getting to that TOS level, and even then humanity still struggled. And that's why I value current Trek (and some other modern productions). They are not blind to the struggle itself, that becoming better isn't a transformation that magically appears but one that takes practice, recognition of weaknesses, and willingness to try something new.
If I struggle with anything with older Trek it's that the solutions are too easy. And maybe that's what some people need in entertainment is an easy solution and a warp away at the end. Maybe a lesson learned and then it sets. That sounds nice. It also doesn't sound like many humans I know.
Mileage will vary. Maybe there are those out there where Star Trek is the only bright spot. I don't know. I just know that optimism for me comes with the recognition of responsibility.
I would love to see a Quentin Tarantino Star Trek movie using footage from TOS episodes, taken out-of-context and changed into a new story. That would be the most hilarious thing ever. It would be my new favorite Star Trek movie.
See this mock trailer someone put together to see what I'm talking about.
See this mock trailer someone put together to see what I'm talking about.
, and stolen.
"Green Blood, Green Women, and NAZIs!!!!!!"
Sign me up. I'd pay real money to see such a film.
Except that's not what happens. It is used as a sledgehammer to beat current Trek for not being Trek enough, or carrying Trek's spirit, or whatever fluff words are used to puff Orville up and look down on current Trek.
Orville started out as OK and then fizzled for me. Bortus was probably the character I was most invested in. But, Mercer is a captain that I just don't find enjoyable to watch.
I don't know about TNG fan fiction, since TNG wasn't my preferred Trek. I think that McFarlane is having a blast doing his show and more power to him for it. I hope he gets a chance to do more.
I don't know about TNG fan fiction, since TNG wasn't my preferred Trek. I think that McFarlane is having a blast doing his show and more power to him for it. I hope he gets a chance to do more.
I don’t watch The Orville as it’s not my thing at all. But I don’t have a problem with others enjoying it. Its fans, though, can be so obnoxious and insufferable it really leaves a bitter taste.
As opposed to Star Trek fans, who are always polite, respectful, and proportionate in their responses....
I really liked The Orville for what it was (which was an amusing, fluffy little space adventure), until my exposures on this very board. People jamming something up my rear end trying to tell me that "this is TEH REEL STAR TRACK" really turned me off.
And, let's be honest, if the exact same show, with the exact same scripts, cast, etc. were being produced under the name "Star Trek," most of the people would hate it and be losing their minds over how derivative it is, too many raunchy jokes, Starfleet personnel acting unprofessionally, etc, etc, etc. It's insanity.
My only real issue with The Orville is that it gets treated as real Star Trek in a way that is extremely off-putting. I understand being somewhat passionate about a show (see my posts on Discovery) but rarely do it necessary to say this show doesn't compare to another show. A show should be entertaining without comparison. That's my view.
And Orville was mediocre on the entertainment side in that I never felt hooked to come back. I think Pria was a high point simply because it showed the show was a bit more than just a McFarlane comedy. But, that was about it. It reflected aspects of Star Trek that I find most discouraging, of great big emotional moments that don't get touched on and just warp off to the next adventure.
And finally, it reflects an attitude that I saw with the recent Robert April fan film, and STC and even Axanar-that the look is more important than anything else in the production. That it has to have certain colors, tones, and uniform lines to be "Star Trek" more than anything else. That just strikes as incredibly superficial to say "Oh, it looks like Star Trek so it must be good!"
I don't know. Fans are confusing.
The Orville is a fine enough show but it's getting damn tiresome to hear Trek fans bring it up every time a Kurtzman Era series falls short.
My take on The Orville: If I want to watch TNG, I'll watch TNG. It's that simple. Sorry, but even if Discovery and Picard never existed, that would still be my take on it.
And I'm equally annoyed with the Disco vs. Orville Crap. If this nonsense bullshit rivalry goes away forever, and it is bullshit, then it'll never be too fucking soon.
And I'm equally annoyed with the Disco vs. Orville Crap. If this nonsense bullshit rivalry goes away forever, and it is bullshit, then it'll never be too fucking soon.
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I appreciate the Orville in the same way I appreciate fan productions and fanfiction based on TNG-era Trek. I find it fun, enjoyable, and generally well-made, but I don't see it as a version of or substitute for the real thing, despite the fact that there are good episodes of The Orville I like better than certain bad episodes of TNG.
I can't recall where I posted it but this tendency to bring up Orville in discussions around Kurtzman Trek reminds me so much of being in retail and people going "Well Such store has this item." And it takes all my energy to not go "Then go there."
Like, at some point in time, there is just a need to stop the comparison game and treat each show as its own things, warts and all. Comparison just makes it easier to beat it up rather than going "Oh, maybe I'll just use this product instead." I know I posted that recently but it sticks with me. Maybe I am being unfair to those who say such things but it just strikes me as rather unfair to keep belaboring the point, like constantly complaining that a store doesn't have something.
Which brings me to another experience in retail. People stating "You should do this and we would totally buy it." And that would not happen. So, what people are saying they want is usually not what they will actually buy.
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