What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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A little of one and a little of the other. Mind you, prior to returning to the great Big Blue, my only exposure to Disco fans has been inside of toxic Facebook hate groups, so I may be approaching the issue a little bit biased.
I recommend avoiding the book of faces.
Well, I don't remember if we ever crossed paths, but I'm still the same poster as when you were first around. Just twice the age and with more life experience.
During the Big Blue Days, people would've accused me of being one step removed from TOS Only. If anything. I was very anti-VOY/ENT and anti-B&B. I couldn't wait until they were gone. But I was also considered to be one of the more reasonable posters and one of the "peacekeepers". To the point where I was made a moderator. I did that for six years, before I had enough and stepped down.
My username comes from Lord Garth from "Whom Gods Destroy". That's a deep-cut TOS episode. So my being a Hardcore TOS Fan is even in my username.
Bottom Line: I was sick of the Berman Era (a lot of people were), stopped watching after a certain point, and I think Discovery and Picard are different enough that it sucked me back in again. I think the Abrams Films were fine for what they were, but they didn't really grab me, and I haven't seen them since they were in the theater.
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Hey man, I think I remember. You were quite young back in the day?
I certainly remember people hating on Enterprise, back when it was a new show. Berman and Braga (??) were responsible for the end of all Trek as we know it. I didn't watch Enterprise at the time, but years later I bought the DVDs and enjoyed them immensely. Who knows, perhaps one day I may say the same about Discovery.
I certainly remember people hating on Enterprise, back when it was a new show. Berman and Braga (??) were responsible for the end of all Trek as we know it. I didn't watch Enterprise at the time, but years later I bought the DVDs and enjoyed them immensely. Who knows, perhaps one day I may say the same about Discovery.
I officially have to list Lower Decks as my second favourite Trek series (after DS9 of course).
Janeway was wrong to return the Doctor's erased memories in "Latent Image".
The EMH was the ONLY trained physician they had. Kes was gone, and Tom was nowhere near MD level. The errant memories were causing him to self destruct, which would have left Voyager with no doctor, an unacceptable situation. Janeway should have told Seven that sometimes a captain must make difficult decisions for the greater good, just as a doctor must when amputating a limb or removing something like a spleen (vastly reducing a patient's quality of life but ensuring that they still possess it). She should have then told the EMH that he could have his memories restored once he had rewritten his program to allow for difficult triage situations, or when they were back in the Alpha Quadrant and he could commit suicide without taking the rest of the ship with him. Until then, he could put on his holographic big boy pants and deal with it.
The EMH was the ONLY trained physician they had. Kes was gone, and Tom was nowhere near MD level. The errant memories were causing him to self destruct, which would have left Voyager with no doctor, an unacceptable situation. Janeway should have told Seven that sometimes a captain must make difficult decisions for the greater good, just as a doctor must when amputating a limb or removing something like a spleen (vastly reducing a patient's quality of life but ensuring that they still possess it). She should have then told the EMH that he could have his memories restored once he had rewritten his program to allow for difficult triage situations, or when they were back in the Alpha Quadrant and he could commit suicide without taking the rest of the ship with him. Until then, he could put on his holographic big boy pants and deal with it.
Who is using it as a vehicle of hatred towards NuTrek? NuTrek is doing that (to borrow an action) to itself by taking a baseball to its own legacy.
So say some. And a subset of those hold up The Orville as an example how Star Trek should be done these days, apparently oblivious to the fact that it is simply aping the TNG style.
Either way, the commercial success of NuTrek speaks for itself
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Remember when TOS fans said that about Next Gen? Good times.
Really? How?
PIC is basically DS9 with more PTSD and markedly more cynicism. But it in no way takes a baseball bat to Trek's legacy.
Nor could any current show take a bat to that legacy. Its ridiculous hyperbole as though Trek's reputation is so fragile it must be treated like religious documentation.
If we're gonna play the "baseball bat to Trek's legacy" game then TNG definitely disrespected TOS by eliminating most interpersonal conflict and depicting humanity as too utopian. 
The whole "STAR TREK IS RUINED" thing is always weird, it happened after TNG, then DS9 (I was guilty of this as a little kid, though it was more that I just wanted more TNG and DS9 felt so cold and alien). Enterprise was particularly bad, though that was not without some foundation, in my opinion. Then came the reboot movies, destroying the prime universe some people decried. Now we're onto "CBS Trek". The series are so varied, how can one episode or series ruin it? It's like people who say Parallels ruins Star Trek because there are zillions of alternate universes, so nothing matters. I'm surprised there hasn't been more whining about the Federation in the 32nd Century making everything in the 23/24th century pointless. I question their fundamental intelligence or understanding of reality. I'm a big Trek fan, but I'd say I'm not even a fan of half the shows.
'The Chase' explaining why most species are Humanoid, and the ENT Klingon Augment arc explaning why the TOS Klingons don't have ridges are great stories IMO, but they explain things that really didn't need to be explained and are kinda meta/fourth wall breaking.
Are those unpopular opinions? idk.
Are those unpopular opinions? idk.
Where's that article?If we're gonna play the "baseball bat to Trek's legacy" game then TNG definitely disrespected TOS by eliminating most interpersonal conflict and depicting humanity as too utopian.
Star Trek is like any other aspect of pop culture, it evolves as social and cultural norms do. TV nowadays is typically darker and grittier and edgier than it was in the 80's and 90's, and way more so than in the 60's. Also, just as interracial romance was more accepted in the 90's than the 60's, same-sex romance is more tolerated today than in the 90's. Trek was never "ruined", it just changed as TV did. So if I can't get into Duscovery or Picard because I don't like the darker tone, I won't whine about Trek being ruined... I'll just stream the Trek I like. With 25 seasons of TNG, DS9, VOY, and Enterprise to play with (and the deliciously ridiculous Lower Decks as well) I'm unlikely to run short.
Yup. Watch what you like.
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