What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

Discussion in 'General Trek Discussion' started by Amasov, Jun 20, 2020.

  1. suarezguy

    suarezguy Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I liked Enterprise not having the ST prefix, a clever way to effectively convey just from the title that it is a prequel (while with the prefix that, and anything about the show, is really not clear).

    ST: TNG obviously later on than ST, later Deep Space Nine and Voyager obviously farther into space, Enterprise a prequel before the original show, Star Trek: Enterprise just another show time and place really unclear.
     
  2. Lord Garth

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    I've got a doozy of a Controversial Opinion here. One I wish I didn't have. Star Trek 4 is going to be a late-sequel. Seven-and-a-half years since the last one by the time it comes out (if it's not pushed back again). The momentum is gone. It's been gone. Normal people have moved on. Unless they have an amazing marketing campaign and advertise the Hell out of it, I think it's going to flop at the Box Office. Not as bad as TFF or NEM, but I think it'll still be a flop.

    It's been so long now, they'd have been better off leaving it at three and doing another reboot.
     
  3. Charles Phipps

    Charles Phipps Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Controversial Opinion:

    Everything is Time Travel Related

    http://unitedfederationofcharles.blogspot.com/2022/05/my-star-trek-time-travel-theory.html

    I have an ENTIRE HISTORY OF TIME TRAVEL plotted out in my head:

    * Historically, the original timeline of humanity was TOS and that was how the Enterprise appeared before time was altered. Starships were big, blocky, and while sturdy they were not seemingly as advanced or visually appealing as before. Furthermore, Starfleet was significantly more militant and harsh.

    + The first divergent point in Starfleet history is First Contact where Zephram Cochrane met Starfleet and became a significantly more idealistic figure who helped influence the United Earth Probe Agency to become more focused on exploration versus conflict.

    + The second divergence point is far more dramatic due to the Temporal Cold War when the Suliban ROYALLY screwed up the timeline by accidentally diverting a Klingon to Earth in "Broken Bow." In the original timeline, Jonathan Archer was known as a test pilot and warp engineer who failed to get the NX-01 off the ground and the first Enterprise would not launch until the Constitution-class decades later.

    Due to the Klingons arrival, Archer gets his chance and suddenly the Earth enters space decades earlier and mucks with the timeline. This is why Daniels is so surprised the Federation ceases to exist in "Shockwave" if Archer is removed because Archer SHOULDN'T be that important. Originally, he was just a random NASA guy but is now elevated to George Washington as well as Neil Armstrong.

    + History proves robust and the Federation still unfolds much the same way as it did in normal history even with things like the Xindi War and a much friendlier relationship with the Andorians. The Federation forms out of mutual interest instead of a reponse to Romulan aggression. Technology gets a few decades leap ahead of itself and the USS Enterprise is now a much more advanced exploratory vessel with less focus on militancy.

    (This notably affected the Kelvin timeline as well)

    + Star Trek: Discovery and Strange New Worlds are the result of this new and revised timeline as is the first Klingon War that happens before the events of "Errand of Mercy." Events are still eerily similar and ironically are probably due to Daniels and other time cops trying to make sure things still are broadly the same. This sadly includes making sure Christopher Pike ends up crippled by his experiences.

    (If you absolutely need an explanation, Robert April's father married another woman in the changing timeline as well but is functionally the same man historically)

    + Notably, in the original timeline, Michael Burnham's family lived a perfectly normal life due to the fact the Federation (or Section 31) never developed an interest in time travel or stealing Klingon time travel crystals. The theft of the time crystals that triggered Michael's parents' murder happened only because Archer discovered time travel a century earlier than Kirk and widely advertised it. This resulted in Sarek adopting her and her sudden appearance in Spock's life, resulting in him being slightly more comfortable expressing emotions.

    Can you tell I write tabletop RPG notes?

    Because this is the kind of stuff I do for my tabletop RPGs.
     
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  4. Farscape One

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    I actually agree with you here.
     
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  5. publiusr

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    Sounds plausible
     
  6. Richard S. Ta

    Richard S. Ta Commodore Commodore

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    Eh, I don't know. Agree and disagree. I agree it's been a long time, but these days movies get sequels 20 years after the fact so that's alright.

    I agree the momentum is gone. It kind of went somewhere in-between 09 and Into Darkness.

    Kelvin 4 is gonna need one Hell of a strong hook and a golden advertising campaign.
     
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  7. Gingerbread Demon

    Gingerbread Demon Stealer of all the cookies in time and space Premium Member

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    I find myself agreeing with you. It may be a fantastic movie, it might totally rock when watching it, but I fear it might also be a flop despite that.
     
  8. thribs

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    That doesn’t feel like a controversial opinion. A lot of people gave that feeling.
    I don’t see the movie happening anyway.
     
  9. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Naomi Wildman is the Caretaker's child.
     
  10. Gingerbread Demon

    Gingerbread Demon Stealer of all the cookies in time and space Premium Member

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    I'm going to ask how?
    How would that be possible?
     
  11. cooleddie74

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    It's a Guy DNA test. That' s all you need to know. ;)
     
  12. Gingerbread Demon

    Gingerbread Demon Stealer of all the cookies in time and space Premium Member

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    hmmmm
     
  13. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    We know that Caretaker probed the entire crew and then he actually impregnated B'Elanna and Harry, to make a baby, to take over after him, and rear the Ocampa, like only he could trust his own child to do.

    The entire point of the pilot was to get a crewman on Voyager knocked up with Caretaker splooge.

    Then a couple months later, a pretty blonde crewman unveils her pregnancy.
     
  14. Turtletrekker

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    This makes about as much sense as warp 10 space iguanas. But since warp 10 space iguanas are, in fact, canon, I deem it acceptable.
     
  15. Gingerbread Demon

    Gingerbread Demon Stealer of all the cookies in time and space Premium Member

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    I have to concede it does seem plausible
     
  16. F. King Daniel

    F. King Daniel Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Controversial opinion: It's not an in-universe alternate reality explained by time travel but a real life new adaptation of the Prime Universe which is why everything looks modern, April and Kyle have been racelifted etc.
     
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  17. Farscape One

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    Even though Wildman's very lengthy pregnancy was explained in "FURY" (pretty much the only good thing about that episode, I have to say), considering that by the time she told Janeway she was pregnant, in "ELOGIUM", it was about 6 months after they left DS9, this is not as out there an idea as it first appears. At least until "FURY" establishes that The Doctor knew, and that time travel took place about a month after they were stranded in the DQ.
     
  18. KamenRiderBlade

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    My thoughts with the Hyper Evolution affect of going Warp 10 / Infinite Speed is that you're going so fast that you encounter a special space or area of space that affects your genetics and causes the Hyper Evolution.

    But since you're moving so fast, you have nearly no way of preventing yourself from passing through that special area of space.

    The speed itself doesn't cause the wierd Hyper Evolution, IMO; it's some part of space that has a special property or radiation that would cause the funky Hyper Evolution.

    Every other time we've seen somebody go faster, there usually isn't any problems with going fast in & of itself. There are plenty of weird areas of space that causes funky affects on the biologcal body. Given how fast you're going at Warp 10 / Infinity, avoiding those areas of space can be incredibly hard.
     
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  19. Farscape One

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    Nice theory. Considering they couldn't find a way to navigate while at warp 10, that is plausible.

    Well done.
     
  20. gweeps

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    Makes sense. And Paris was just using a souped-up shuttle if I recall.