It directly contradicts the line from Season 1 that the mycelial network links all points in all universes, but this way, way overpowered the spore drive, so I can understand the retcon.
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It directly contradicts the line from Season 1 that the mycelial network links all points in all universes, but this way, way overpowered the spore drive, so I can understand the retcon.
Meh, one line from when they just discover it = Stamets just didn't know the limits of it yet.
Like Warp 10.
Actually that's not accurate.
Disco DID use the Spore drive outside the galaxy.
The Mycelial network was simply non-accessible in the immediate vicinity of (and inside) the galactic barrier.
Once they were outside the galaxy, they had to warp away to a distance of about 8 or 9 lightyears to use the spore drive.
When the ship was being held by 10c hyperfield, Disco used the Spore drive to escape... if the mycelial network didn't exist outside the galaxy, they wouldn't be able to use it at all.
The Mycelial network spans the universe... therre is nothing in Season 4 that specifically retcons this.
Didn't they have to warp all the way from the first planet to the 10C planet because they couldn't use the spore drive, despite the clock ticking to the destruction of Earth?
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Is the Galactic Barrier keeping the network confined to this one galaxy?
Gardening metaphors.
Overgrown.
If the network expands ten galaxies wide past the rim of the galaxy, it's going to run out of nutrience and die.
The network is multiversal. it must gain strength from overlapping in cross dimensional space, but if it starts over growing into the void, less universes' networks are going to map over each other nearly identically.
Did something bad happen when galactic mycelial networks were connected? Some cosmic invader attacking hundreds of galaxies across each universe at the same time?
Gardening metaphors.
Overgrown.
If the network expands ten galaxies wide past the rim of the galaxy, it's going to run out of nutrience and die.
The network is multiversal. it must gain strength from overlapping in cross dimensional space, but if it starts over growing into the void, less universes' networks are going to map over each other nearly identically.
Did something bad happen when galactic mycelial networks were connected? Some cosmic invader attacking hundreds of galaxies across each universe at the same time?
Yeah like if I'm wrong, and I very well may be, I've only seen the episode once a few months ago, and they did use *a network* after they got far enough from the barrier, that still means it's a seperate network not connected to the one in the Milky way, the Milky Way network being cut off by the barrier.
The first 10c planet was relatively near the Milky Way galaxy... meaning that it was likely inside the 9 light years distance of the barrier (which means the Spore Drive wouldn't work in that area, so the ship had to use Warp to get there).
The Hyperfield (and new home of 10c) was located some distance away (much further away)... and it was mentioned that if they use the Spore Drive to escape the hyper field, it would take them decades to get back.
So, yeah... given what we saw, I would posit that the first 10c planet was likely located just outside the Milky Way (but within 9Ly's of the barrier - meaning you need Warp to get there)... the second/real home of 10c (and the Hyperfield) were located much further away (need to use Spore Drive to get there).
Spore drive works outside the galaxy... you just need to get to a distance of about 9 ly's away from the Galactic barrier to use it.
The Hyperfield (and new home of 10c) was located some distance away (much further away)... and it was mentioned that if they use the Spore Drive to escape the hyper field, it would take them decades to get back.
So, yeah... given what we saw, I would posit that the first 10c planet was likely located just outside the Milky Way (but within 9Ly's of the barrier - meaning you need Warp to get there)... the second/real home of 10c (and the Hyperfield) were located much further away (need to use Spore Drive to get there).
Spore drive works outside the galaxy... you just need to get to a distance of about 9 ly's away from the Galactic barrier to use it.
From what I can tell, the Mycelial Network has certain area's that you can't cross, the Galactic Barrier is one of them. That suggests the Mycelial Network is segmented into zones / area's like the one within our Galaxy, and probably other Galaxies if there are similar barriers around other Galaxies. Then there is probably the Mycelial Network/Space between Galaxies.
Ergo you hop out from the Mycelial Network into normal space, go through the Galactic Barrier, and you have the option to hop back into the Mycelial Network once you're sufficiently far enough from the Galactic Barrier.
According to Memory Alpha:
Ergo you hop out from the Mycelial Network into normal space, go through the Galactic Barrier, and you have the option to hop back into the Mycelial Network once you're sufficiently far enough from the Galactic Barrier.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Hyperfield
According to Memory Alpha:
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Come on, man...
Which means that if you can't cross the galactic barrier, and have to go to a seperate network so many light years away from the galactic barrier, then the Mycelial network can't be what Tom used in Voyager
Who's Ton?
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Tom didn't even know what the Mycelial Network is, so it's doubtful that he ever entered the Mycelial realm. Everything Tom mentioned was in normal space, he just happened to be "Everywhere" simultaneously, relative to within Normal Space.
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Tom didn't even know what the Mycelial Network is, so it's doubtful that he ever entered the Mycelial realm. Everything Tom mentioned was in normal space, he just happened to be "Everywhere" simultaneously, relative to within Normal Space.
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The real spoiler is how Tupperware keeps your leftover foods fresh for so much longer.
Ah, but if you didn't know that going in. 
I would posit there aren't 'separate mycelial networks' in the universe... its all just one giant network that spans the entire universe.
If the Mycelial network is to keep its original meaning from Stamets in Season 1... aka 'The veins and muscles that hold our galaxies together", then it would simply mean the galactic barrier acts as a 'dampening field' to artificial matter from normal space... meaning ships from normal space can't access it if they are within 9 Ly's of galactic barrier(s? - we don't know if other galaxies have their own galactic barriers), but the network still exists in that area and within the barrier, and 'works' in holding the galaxies together as described (aka, delivering whatever is the equivalent of universal blood, nutrients, minerals etc. - like a biological organism would)... but the galactic barrier makes access to the mycelial network impossible (or at least very difficult) to artificial structures (or at least, artificial structures that are 'primitive' as starships - who knows, perhaps UFP will find a way to travel to all corners of the universe without having to exit the Mycelial network...
or, they will just develop artificial wormholes - which was exactly what 10c did to bring Discovery back home - and for the record, UFP was already experimenting with creating artificial wormholes in DS9, late 24th century... funny how 'nothing' came out of that either - essentially, what 10c was demonstrated to be - Type II to Type III civilization, UFP should have been in the 32nd century).
So... no need to have different mycelial networks... one network works just fine within this explanation.
A different network explanation could work for different universes though (if you're travelling from the Prime universe to say a Mirror Universe - but I think it was mentioned that what the Terrans did threatened all of the multiverse... not just the Mirror Universe - suggesting the Mycelial network is the same across REALITIES as well - aka the multiverse).
But otherwise, Tom Paris never used the Mycelial network. He was using subspace to access Warp 10 and exist everywhere at the same time when he did the Transwarp test flight.
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I'm really at a loss to understand how, after a pinned warning for months, and two more warnings in this thread alone, you decided to post yet another spoiler about the Season 4 finale?
I mean seriously, I don't want to be giving out formal warnings for stuff like this, but I can't think of any other explanation than you're doing it on purpose.
Please...go to the Discovery forum and discuss the show until your heart's content. We are literally months away from being able to openly discuss the final episodes of Season 4.
I sincerely hope that's the end of it.
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