What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

Discussion in 'General Trek Discussion' started by Amasov, Jun 20, 2020.

  1. KamenRiderBlade

    KamenRiderBlade Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Who's Ton?

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    Tom didn't even know what the Mycelial Network is, so it's doubtful that he ever entered the Mycelial realm. Everything Tom mentioned was in normal space, he just happened to be "Everywhere" simultaneously, relative to within Normal Space.
     
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  2. wayoung

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  3. cooleddie74

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    The real spoiler is how Tupperware keeps your leftover foods fresh for so much longer.
     
  4. wayoung

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    That's more of an anti-spoiler
     
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  5. cooleddie74

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    Ah, but if you didn't know that going in. ;)
     
  6. Deks

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    I would posit there aren't 'separate mycelial networks' in the universe... its all just one giant network that spans the entire universe.

    If the Mycelial network is to keep its original meaning from Stamets in Season 1... aka 'The veins and muscles that hold our galaxies together", then it would simply mean the galactic barrier acts as a 'dampening field' to artificial matter from normal space... meaning ships from normal space can't access it if they are within 9 Ly's of galactic barrier(s? - we don't know if other galaxies have their own galactic barriers), but the network still exists in that area and within the barrier, and 'works' in holding the galaxies together as described (aka, delivering whatever is the equivalent of universal blood, nutrients, minerals etc. - like a biological organism would)... but the galactic barrier makes access to the mycelial network impossible (or at least very difficult) to artificial structures (or at least, artificial structures that are 'primitive' as starships - who knows, perhaps UFP will find a way to travel to all corners of the universe without having to exit the Mycelial network...

    or, they will just develop artificial wormholes - which was exactly what 10c did to bring Discovery back home - and for the record, UFP was already experimenting with creating artificial wormholes in DS9, late 24th century... funny how 'nothing' came out of that either - essentially, what 10c was demonstrated to be - Type II to Type III civilization, UFP should have been in the 32nd century).

    So... no need to have different mycelial networks... one network works just fine within this explanation.
    A different network explanation could work for different universes though (if you're travelling from the Prime universe to say a Mirror Universe - but I think it was mentioned that what the Terrans did threatened all of the multiverse... not just the Mirror Universe - suggesting the Mycelial network is the same across REALITIES as well - aka the multiverse).

    But otherwise, Tom Paris never used the Mycelial network. He was using subspace to access Warp 10 and exist everywhere at the same time when he did the Transwarp test flight.
     
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  7. 1001001

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    I'm really at a loss to understand how, after a pinned warning for months, and two more warnings in this thread alone, you decided to post yet another spoiler about the Season 4 finale?

    I mean seriously, I don't want to be giving out formal warnings for stuff like this, but I can't think of any other explanation than you're doing it on purpose.

    Please...go to the Discovery forum and discuss the show until your heart's content. We are literally months away from being able to openly discuss the final episodes of Season 4.

    I sincerely hope that's the end of it.
     
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  8. Richard S. Ta

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    Bravo!
     
  9. Deks

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    I missed that post of yours and I wasn't aware S4 Disco stuff was still considered to be off limits to be talked about openly (considering how long has it been since S4 ended).
     
  10. Deks

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    In fairness, that memory Alpha pos could be wrong on the location of the hyperfield because if it was only 30 ly's away from the galactic barrier, then WHY did the president say it would take them decades to get back?
    This doesn't mesh with your earlier premise that Warp drive became much faster in the 32nd century (and in fact posits the idea that Warp didn't advance at all - because 30 ly's is a fairly small distance from the galactic barrier... but inside the galaxy, it would be tens of thousands of Ly's worth of space the ship would need to traverse to reach the HQ

    Either way, I don't see the issue. The Spore Drive still has to work outside the galaxy, otherwise, the ship wouldn't be able to use it at all to escape the Hyperfield.
     
  11. Farscape One

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    That's actually something that bothered me about that finale.

    In the 24th century, Voyager would have taken 75 years to get back. They were 70,000 light years away, but add on refueling and other things, we can assume travel of about 1,000 light years per year.

    And Discovery was upgraded with 32nd century technology.

    Even if their warp drive was still from the 23rd century, it never made sense that 30 light years would take decades to get back. A month or so, okay. I'll even go as high as 3 months, just because I'm supremely generous.

    But DECADES? It was a glaring error that felt like forced drama just for the sake of drama for the resolution at the end.

     
  12. KamenRiderBlade

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    It doesn't conflict really, because 30 ly's from the Galactic Barrier is trivial with 24th century Warp Drive, much less 32nd Century. The decades back to StarFleet HQ or Earth is spoken from the UFP President, none of the StarFleet Officers ever took the time to correct her. I highly doubt a politician who was newly elected, would know the true performance of the USS Discovery-A. Especially given how busy she's been with her own job as UFP President. Nobody bothered correcting her, and it doesn't matter. What we saw with the relative performance of the USS Discovery in the short Warp jaunt to the edge of the Galactic Barrier was enough to give a reasonably accurate assessment. And given the worst case scenario of distance from the farthest point in the MilkyWay Galactic Barrier to travel back to Earth, my estimate using USS Discovery-A's Warp Speed was slightly under 1 year. I don't take the word of a politician, especially on the performance of a StarShip, and she was never in StarFleet. She only served on her dad's transport, and who knows how old that sucker was.

    Go back and look at our discussion in the DISCO threads.


    See above on what I replied to Dek's. It's basically the same thing
     
  13. cooleddie74

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  14. Farscape One

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    Just one sentence of dialogue wpuld habe fixed that. Besides, she has to be aware of some of warp times and distances. Even a transport from the 32nd century would travel pretty fast. And she has worked closely with Admiral Vance, and I'm sure such things have come up before.

     
  15. KamenRiderBlade

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    Don't take politician's quoted figures too seriously. I've heard PLENTY of IRL politicians who gets #'s for basic stats wrong entirely by HUGE orders of magnitude. She's the UFP President, she's not expected to be competent on the operation of a StarFleet StarShip, much less the USS Discovery-A who is a unique vessel in the 32nd century.
     
  16. Richard S. Ta

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    Well, this thread can't be read anymore... :D
     
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  17. cooleddie74

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    If this keeps going the thread will look like it was the result of a Freedom of Information Act request.
     
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  19. Farscape One

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    Actually, it's short for 'sawbones', which was a nickname for doctors in the Wild West. (I believe they sometimes doubled as undertakers, too.) Fitting, since STAR TREK was made during the height of westerns, and Kelley was in a lot of westerns.
     
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    Kirk calls Bones that because he constantly... every single day of his life... likes to remind him of his painful divorce and fleeing Earth.
     
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