Played by the actress who would play K'Ehleyr...
What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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Played by the actress who would play K'Ehleyr...
Suzie Plakson.
Next Gen was made to appeal WAY too much to conservatives. The Federation was a gated white community. The hostile aliens were the foreigners and immigrants Picard put in their rightful place every week. Episodes like "The Outcast" end with everyone accepting (although not all agreeing with) the "cure" which is shown to work.
The legacy of this is cancerous toxic fans pouring money into Old White Man wannabe "True Trek" like Axanar, and freaking out when modern Trek embraces Trek's true-ish (it was always more hype than reality, but they're really trying now) vision of equality.
*mic drop*
The legacy of this is cancerous toxic fans pouring money into Old White Man wannabe "True Trek" like Axanar, and freaking out when modern Trek embraces Trek's true-ish (it was always more hype than reality, but they're really trying now) vision of equality.
*mic drop*
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Whenever I hear someone say "We're in a Golden Age of Star Trek!", I agree with their sentiment but I keep wanting to tell them I think we're really in the Bronze Age of Star Trek.
How do I figure?
Golden --> 1966-1969
Silver --> 1987-2005
Bronze --> 2017-Present
How do I figure?
Golden --> 1966-1969
Silver --> 1987-2005
Bronze --> 2017-Present
Any new Star Trek production announced is met with vocal fan derision and demands that it should never be made.
When the production is under process, it gets intense scrutiny over its details, hard overall criticism and demands that it should be immediately canceled.
It is accepted only after it has run its course and there is a new Star Trek production to deride.
The acceptance is the greater, the more subsequent Star Trek productions there have been, that have gone through the derision-acceptance phases.
When the production is under process, it gets intense scrutiny over its details, hard overall criticism and demands that it should be immediately canceled.
It is accepted only after it has run its course and there is a new Star Trek production to deride.
The acceptance is the greater, the more subsequent Star Trek productions there have been, that have gone through the derision-acceptance phases.
Liking Star Trek doesn't make you smart (it's amazing how many people believe that it does).
Yep, it amuses me when people see the show is some sort of leftist bible - it's really not.
Yep, it amuses me when people see the show is some sort of leftist bible - it's really not.
Agreed. Neither does hating it, no matter how long and detailed blogs, posts or videos you make to prove your point.
To paraphrase an Our Valued Customers strip I saw once, "You say you loved Star Trek but hate everything it does now, and the people who like it? You're not a fan, you're Star Trek's abusive ex-boyfriend."
(The strip was about Star Wars, but the point is the same.)
All the right people hate it. We're better off without them.Agreed. Neither does hating it, no matter how long and detailed blogs, posts or videos you make to prove your point.
To paraphrase an Our Valued Customers strip I saw once, "You say you loved Star Trek but hate everything it does now, and the people who like it? You're not a fan, you're Star Trek's abusive ex-boyfriend."
(The strip was about Star Wars, but the point is the same.)
Disclaimer: If someone just isn't interested in it, or it isn't their cup of tea, I'm not talking about them. I'm only talking about the ones who actively hate it and take every opportunity to trash it and anyone who likes it.
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Honestly I never was a fan of applying the "Ages of Man" to types of media or franchises (especially so strictly) , since they pretty much state (or at the least imply) that everything starts in a stage of perfection and that everything following that first, innocent, triumphal stage of perfection is less and less.
Which I definitely do not agree with. For example the Bronze Age of Comic books, in my opinion, clearly had better story telling and characterization than the Gold or Silver ages.
I happen to think the Bronze Age is better than the Golden Age and especially the Silver Age too. So, basically, my opinion of comics parallels my opinion of Star Trek.
I just use the names as markers of time, not markers of quality. In both cases, I like the third age better than the second.
Well the Dark Age of Comics (the 90s) is definitely about it's quality (or rather it's excesses) But I agree I love the Bronze Age of Comics, most of my collection is from that period.
With Star Trek I'm still on the fence. I can very much agree that the quality of writing has improved, but the only current show I love as much as DS9 is Lower Decks, let's see what Season 3 of DISC and SNW bring (I have high hopes for both)
I've long thought of Trek being divided into a Golden and a Silver Age, and my version of the ages isn't much different from yours. When Enterprise came out, I wondered if it was the beginning of the Bronze Age of Star Trek. But after they stopped making Trek for a while and the new ones came out, it's clear that now is the Bronze Age.
I see pretty strong parallels with the ages of comics.
Golden Age: (In Trek: I consider it lasting until TNG started) Adventurer, experimenting with story elements, mixing genres together, fist fights, and not a lot of rules. Also, both creation of stories in both Golden Ages fizzled out before the Silver Age boom. However, Trek's fizzled out phase obviously lasted far longer.
Silver Age: A more unified style, more rules about morality, more deliberate optimism, lots of new characters, an large interconnected continuity where characters from one series often mention other series, stories and characters inspired by the Golden Age, crossovers with Golden Age characters, and more teen sidekicks (Wesley, Jake, Nog)
Bronze Age: (Chris Pine films onward) More willingness to do pessimistic stories, more antiheroic characters, loosening of continuity in favor of different stories having different tones, younger and more hip characters.
I admit I don't know a lot about the Bronze Age of Trek. It's not so much because I'm not interested, as much as it's that there's so much Golden and Silver Age Trek I want to see first.
I see pretty strong parallels with the ages of comics.
Golden Age: (In Trek: I consider it lasting until TNG started) Adventurer, experimenting with story elements, mixing genres together, fist fights, and not a lot of rules. Also, both creation of stories in both Golden Ages fizzled out before the Silver Age boom. However, Trek's fizzled out phase obviously lasted far longer.
Silver Age: A more unified style, more rules about morality, more deliberate optimism, lots of new characters, an large interconnected continuity where characters from one series often mention other series, stories and characters inspired by the Golden Age, crossovers with Golden Age characters, and more teen sidekicks (Wesley, Jake, Nog)
Bronze Age: (Chris Pine films onward) More willingness to do pessimistic stories, more antiheroic characters, loosening of continuity in favor of different stories having different tones, younger and more hip characters.
I admit I don't know a lot about the Bronze Age of Trek. It's not so much because I'm not interested, as much as it's that there's so much Golden and Silver Age Trek I want to see first.
Which really only applies if you were reading crap. I was reading triangle era Superman, Waid Flash, Morrison JL, Sandman, Busiek/Perez Avengers, Jones Green Lantern...when people refer to this era as dark, my eyes reflexively glaze over.
But it's two finger sex.
I still think Klingons should never have cloaking tech or BoPs. They were a Romulan thing and should had stayed a Romulan Thing. Now we have this weird Chimera Klingon society that has to be hammered into a circle peg. I don't even think it's controversial but eh.
Romulans - sneaky, treacherous to everyone outside of the Empire, a lot of gloating that may not have the weight behind them to back it up.
Klingons - near idiotically honourbound, confrontational, full of Forlorn Hope seekers.
Klingon ships should had been the big, beefy, 'can go toe to toe with a Galaxy' and come out nearly unscathed, like the DDridex is, while Romulans should be the BoP and older type users, as they can't really afford to update their fleet stock willy nilly and may lag behind due to their smaller base. But because of the mix up in III?, the course was set. Kruge's stealing of the BoP should had been the thing that broke the Alliance, an Alliance that was formed more to counter the Federation and divert resources to it than at each other, anyway. I mean that's all that's needed, really. No fancy tech trade, just a 'enemy of my enemy is too annoying to face you, my old enemy' thing.
Romulan: Hey we've been fighting on this border for hundreds of years and nothing has changed but those Earthlings and their alliance is really blossoming, huh? You seen those Connies?
Klingon: Yes, they're annoying. Fighting you is also annoying.
Romulan: Let's stop fighting for a bit and try to take those Feds down a peg.
Klingon: Agreed!
And Klingons wouldn't deal with cloaking tech as the Feds can penetrate it anyway and during the Fed-Klingon alliance after Khitomer, the Feds would direct some of their science to the Klingons to maintain the Romulan-Klingon front anyway.
Romulans - sneaky, treacherous to everyone outside of the Empire, a lot of gloating that may not have the weight behind them to back it up.
Klingons - near idiotically honourbound, confrontational, full of Forlorn Hope seekers.
Klingon ships should had been the big, beefy, 'can go toe to toe with a Galaxy' and come out nearly unscathed, like the DDridex is, while Romulans should be the BoP and older type users, as they can't really afford to update their fleet stock willy nilly and may lag behind due to their smaller base. But because of the mix up in III?, the course was set. Kruge's stealing of the BoP should had been the thing that broke the Alliance, an Alliance that was formed more to counter the Federation and divert resources to it than at each other, anyway. I mean that's all that's needed, really. No fancy tech trade, just a 'enemy of my enemy is too annoying to face you, my old enemy' thing.
Romulan: Hey we've been fighting on this border for hundreds of years and nothing has changed but those Earthlings and their alliance is really blossoming, huh? You seen those Connies?
Klingon: Yes, they're annoying. Fighting you is also annoying.
Romulan: Let's stop fighting for a bit and try to take those Feds down a peg.
Klingon: Agreed!
And Klingons wouldn't deal with cloaking tech as the Feds can penetrate it anyway and during the Fed-Klingon alliance after Khitomer, the Feds would direct some of their science to the Klingons to maintain the Romulan-Klingon front anyway.
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It's not like races can't have variation in their tactics.
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