What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

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  1. BillJ

    BillJ The King of Kings Premium Member

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    I'll add that it is actually better and more well thought out than much of the franchise to date.
     
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  2. Bry_Sinclair

    Bry_Sinclair Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Hoping that I can get to see it someday. It's the only modern Trek project that has sparked any sense of joy whenever I see stills/trailers/etc.

    C'mon CBS, make a new deal with yet another streaming service and get it released internationally already!
     
  3. 1001001

    1001001 Serial Canon Violator Moderator

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    Lower Decks is wonderfully fun. A needed tonic for a weary soul.
     
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    Career and many beautiful alien ladies around the galaxy.
     
  5. Paul755

    Paul755 Commodore Commodore

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    The whole “Captain cannot lead an away team” thing in TNG was stupid. Especially when Riker routinely took most of the senior staff with him down to dangerous planet #6258 or over to a Borg Cube.
     
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    ^ going by that (and it's been suggested before) landing parties should be composed of junior officers and enlisted. The first officer isn't just there as a replacement for the captain, the FO has important duties seeing to the day to day proper operation of the ship.
    Early in the first season his choices made slightly more sense, including LaForge and Worf, who were junior no-bodies at the time. One away team including Dr. Salar (sp?) instead of Crusher.
     
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  7. Orphalesion

    Orphalesion Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Dr. Selar appeared in the second season, so she was on the away team instead of Pulaski, not Crusher.
    One writer created her as a love interest for Worf, but the plans fell through (and I'm pretty sure she was, at least for a time also primed to replace Pulaski after season 2 in case Gates McFadden didn't return.)
     
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  8. Tenacity

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    The passionate Worf with a dispassionate Vulcan, interesting.
     
  9. BillJ

    BillJ The King of Kings Premium Member

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    Selar ends up as the CMO of the USS Excalibur in the Peter David written New Frontier novels.
     
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  10. TimeIsAPredator

    TimeIsAPredator Commodore Commodore

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    In reality I imagine ships would have dedicated away team specialist teams like an SG unit from Stargate or less military MACOs and then you would assign the relevant senior officer and extra medics/engineers/security depending on the situation.

    My pet hate is having the chief of security as tactical officer. Keeping the peace with a phaser and ship to ship maneuvers are 2 very different skillsets
     
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  11. Nyotarules

    Nyotarules Vice Admiral Moderator

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    Logical waters, run deep
     
  12. Xhiandra

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    But not both heads of the ship. How often did the TOS crew find itself in a situation where both the captain and first officer were in peril on some surface and Scotty had to take command? Sometimes, even Scotty was in the capture party and someone we'd never seen before ended up in command.

    No, it was quite smart to not take the captain, and to not always take the chief medical officer, to give some thought as to what the mission needed rather than always have "captain, first officer and chief medical officer" as the away team (with sometimes an expert and a couple of redshirts if the episode called for some deaths).
    Less formulaic is better. Of course, the security chief was almost always relevant. Of course, data was so invaluable as to almost always be included, but otherwise, they adapted to the situation.
     
  13. Tim Thomason

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    Early Worf talked often about how human women would be too frail for him to mate with. He wouldn't have that problem with a Vulcan.

    He might be too frail for her.
     
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    Lt. Stiles from Balance of Terror, despite his open bigotry toward Spock, was actually a good officer. Compare his behavior while under pressure to that of Lt. Bailey in The Corbomite Maneuver. Bailey loses his shit and has to be sent to his quarters.
     
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  15. BillJ

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    Though Bailey is framed by McCoy as perhaps not being ready to handle the duties assigned to him by Kirk. Which would explain the breakdown.
     
  16. Qonundrum

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    It cannot be overstated, I suppose....

    "Let He Who Is Without Sin..." isn't nearly as atrocious as it's made out to be. (A mixed bag, overflowing with ideas and being way too glossy on them all perhaps, but it's nowhere near trash and clearly nowhere near as hideous as "Profit and Lace"... and Worf's retcon backstory about avoiding fondling humans because he, as a kid, crushed another kid, despite bringing up shiny new questions about Troi and Dax and every other frail humanoid he's boinked as a result, actually makes more sense. (Of course, ditching Troi for Dax in the first place made more sense and they didn't bring it up in DS9, because... they already went overboard with TNG tie-ins and having him shack up with Troi for no reason in TNG was pointless enough to begin with? Besides, Troi should have done it with Barclay in the Library with a big pipe... )​
     
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    Played by the actress who would play K'Ehleyr...
     
  18. BillJ

    BillJ The King of Kings Premium Member

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    Suzie Plakson.
     
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  19. F. King Daniel

    F. King Daniel Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Next Gen was made to appeal WAY too much to conservatives. The Federation was a gated white community. The hostile aliens were the foreigners and immigrants Picard put in their rightful place every week. Episodes like "The Outcast" end with everyone accepting (although not all agreeing with) the "cure" which is shown to work.

    The legacy of this is cancerous toxic fans pouring money into Old White Man wannabe "True Trek" like Axanar, and freaking out when modern Trek embraces Trek's true-ish (it was always more hype than reality, but they're really trying now) vision of equality.


    *mic drop*
     
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  20. Lord Garth

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    Whenever I hear someone say "We're in a Golden Age of Star Trek!", I agree with their sentiment but I keep wanting to tell them I think we're really in the Bronze Age of Star Trek.

    How do I figure?
    Golden --> 1966-1969
    Silver --> 1987-2005
    Bronze --> 2017-Present
     
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  21. AresB

    AresB Commander Red Shirt

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    Any new Star Trek production announced is met with vocal fan derision and demands that it should never be made.
    When the production is under process, it gets intense scrutiny over its details, hard overall criticism and demands that it should be immediately canceled.
    It is accepted only after it has run its course and there is a new Star Trek production to deride.
    The acceptance is the greater, the more subsequent Star Trek productions there have been, that have gone through the derision-acceptance phases.
     
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