What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

Discussion in 'General Trek Discussion' started by Amasov, Jun 20, 2020.

  1. dupersuper

    dupersuper Commander Red Shirt

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    I'll second this.

    I mean...it's an alternate timeline. No one does (outside the Romulan supernova stuff).
     
  2. Morgan Primus

    Morgan Primus Galaxy Lord Premium Member

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    I like your take on them ;)

    I have a hard time incorporating them. On the other hand, they’ve helped make AU more acceptable. With AU, anything’s possible.
     
  3. Vger23

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    Lower Decks is a goofy, ridiculous cartoon that shows tremendous love for Star Trek and is not meant to be taken seriously or be the subject of "TEH CANNON!!!1!1!!" debates.
     
  4. Nyotarules

    Nyotarules Rear Admiral Moderator

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    Heretic!
     
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  5. Ricky Spanish

    Ricky Spanish Canon Warrior Premium Member

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    I'll add that it is actually better and more well thought out than much of the franchise to date.
     
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  6. Bry_Sinclair

    Bry_Sinclair Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Hoping that I can get to see it someday. It's the only modern Trek project that has sparked any sense of joy whenever I see stills/trailers/etc.

    C'mon CBS, make a new deal with yet another streaming service and get it released internationally already!
     
  7. 1001001

    1001001 Battling Sex Ghosts Moderator

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    Lower Decks is wonderfully fun. A needed tonic for a weary soul.
     
  8. JesterFace

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    Career and many beautiful alien ladies around the galaxy.
     
  9. Paul755

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    The whole “Captain cannot lead an away team” thing in TNG was stupid. Especially when Riker routinely took most of the senior staff with him down to dangerous planet #6258 or over to a Borg Cube.
     
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  10. Tenacity

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    ^ going by that (and it's been suggested before) landing parties should be composed of junior officers and enlisted. The first officer isn't just there as a replacement for the captain, the FO has important duties seeing to the day to day proper operation of the ship.
    Early in the first season his choices made slightly more sense, including LaForge and Worf, who were junior no-bodies at the time. One away team including Dr. Salar (sp?) instead of Crusher.
     
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  11. Orphalesion

    Orphalesion Commodore Commodore

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    Dr. Selar appeared in the second season, so she was on the away team instead of Pulaski, not Crusher.
    One writer created her as a love interest for Worf, but the plans fell through (and I'm pretty sure she was, at least for a time also primed to replace Pulaski after season 2 in case Gates McFadden didn't return.)
     
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  12. Tenacity

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    The passionate Worf with a dispassionate Vulcan, interesting.
     
  13. Ricky Spanish

    Ricky Spanish Canon Warrior Premium Member

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    Selar ends up as the CMO of the USS Excalibur in the Peter David written New Frontier novels.
     
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  14. TimeIsAPredator

    TimeIsAPredator Captain Captain

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    In reality I imagine ships would have dedicated away team specialist teams like an SG unit from Stargate or less military MACOs and then you would assign the relevant senior officer and extra medics/engineers/security depending on the situation.

    My pet hate is having the chief of security as tactical officer. Keeping the peace with a phaser and ship to ship maneuvers are 2 very different skillsets
     
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  15. Nyotarules

    Nyotarules Rear Admiral Moderator

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    Logical waters, run deep
     
  16. Xhiandra

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    But not both heads of the ship. How often did the TOS crew find itself in a situation where both the captain and first officer were in peril on some surface and Scotty had to take command? Sometimes, even Scotty was in the capture party and someone we'd never seen before ended up in command.

    No, it was quite smart to not take the captain, and to not always take the chief medical officer, to give some thought as to what the mission needed rather than always have "captain, first officer and chief medical officer" as the away team (with sometimes an expert and a couple of redshirts if the episode called for some deaths).
    Less formulaic is better. Of course, the security chief was almost always relevant. Of course, data was so invaluable as to almost always be included, but otherwise, they adapted to the situation.
     
  17. Tim Zombieson

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    Early Worf talked often about how human women would be too frail for him to mate with. He wouldn't have that problem with a Vulcan.

    He might be too frail for her.
     
  18. Push The Button

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    Lt. Stiles from Balance of Terror, despite his open bigotry toward Spock, was actually a good officer. Compare his behavior while under pressure to that of Lt. Bailey in The Corbomite Maneuver. Bailey loses his shit and has to be sent to his quarters.
     
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  19. Ricky Spanish

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    Though Bailey is framed by McCoy as perhaps not being ready to handle the duties assigned to him by Kirk. Which would explain the breakdown.
     
  20. Qonundrum

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    It cannot be overstated, I suppose....

    "Let He Who Is Without Sin..." isn't nearly as atrocious as it's made out to be. (A mixed bag, overflowing with ideas and being way too glossy on them all perhaps, but it's nowhere near trash and clearly nowhere near as hideous as "Profit and Lace"... and Worf's retcon backstory about avoiding fondling humans because he, as a kid, crushed another kid, despite bringing up shiny new questions about Troi and Dax and every other frail humanoid he's boinked as a result, actually makes more sense. (Of course, ditching Troi for Dax in the first place made more sense and they didn't bring it up in DS9, because... they already went overboard with TNG tie-ins and having him shack up with Troi for no reason in TNG was pointless enough to begin with? Besides, Troi should have done it with Barclay in the Library with a big pipe... )​
     
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