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What Are the Ways the Star Wars Prequels Could Be Improved???
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Here's how I would improve each movie, based on personal opinion.
The Phantom Menace - No Jar Jar, or don't dumb him down if you want to still include him for the kids.
Attack of the Clones - I barely remember anything about this movie but I wouldn't have focused so much on the Aniken/Padme relationship. It's there, sure because of the power of The Sith movie, but I remember this being pretty much the entire movie.
Revenge of the Sith - Don't kill off Duku until the middle of the movie. Maybe once Anikin becomes all powerful and goes on his rage against the Jedi and anyone standing in his way. One thing that Always bothered me was Yoda's incapability to kill Duku in Clones but Anikin made it look easy. I refuse to believe Vader was stronger than Yoda.
Rogue One - I really want to see this film again, but my main issue with the film was I didn't know anyone's name. There was Jyn, but that was pretty much it. I think the editing could have been tighter, especially at the beginning and they didn't need to jump around a la Batman vs. Superman
A New Hope - I think they could have cut the Tattooene stuff down by 20 minutes. If Luke wanted to be a pilot in the rebel alliance, they should have gotten to that point sooner.
Empire Strikes Back - There's not a whole lot wrong with this movie. Maybe more Yoda but other than that, it's probably the best middle movie of a trilogy I've ever seen.
Return of the Jedi - It's my sentimental favorite film, but I would have gotten rid of the Ewoks. Kids were already invested into Star Wars and I don't think Ewoks was a big reason why.
Force Awakens - I wanted a more Heroic death of Han Solo. That scene reminded me too much of the Data death scene in Nemesis and I'm like "Don't just stand there you dummy". Hate when movies do that.
The Phantom Menace - No Jar Jar, or don't dumb him down if you want to still include him for the kids.
Attack of the Clones - I barely remember anything about this movie but I wouldn't have focused so much on the Aniken/Padme relationship. It's there, sure because of the power of The Sith movie, but I remember this being pretty much the entire movie.
Revenge of the Sith - Don't kill off Duku until the middle of the movie. Maybe once Anikin becomes all powerful and goes on his rage against the Jedi and anyone standing in his way. One thing that Always bothered me was Yoda's incapability to kill Duku in Clones but Anikin made it look easy. I refuse to believe Vader was stronger than Yoda.
Rogue One - I really want to see this film again, but my main issue with the film was I didn't know anyone's name. There was Jyn, but that was pretty much it. I think the editing could have been tighter, especially at the beginning and they didn't need to jump around a la Batman vs. Superman
A New Hope - I think they could have cut the Tattooene stuff down by 20 minutes. If Luke wanted to be a pilot in the rebel alliance, they should have gotten to that point sooner.
Empire Strikes Back - There's not a whole lot wrong with this movie. Maybe more Yoda but other than that, it's probably the best middle movie of a trilogy I've ever seen.
Return of the Jedi - It's my sentimental favorite film, but I would have gotten rid of the Ewoks. Kids were already invested into Star Wars and I don't think Ewoks was a big reason why.
Force Awakens - I wanted a more Heroic death of Han Solo. That scene reminded me too much of the Data death scene in Nemesis and I'm like "Don't just stand there you dummy". Hate when movies do that.
He wanted to join the Imperial Academy actually.
About Jar-Jar: I don't doubt that he's annoying. Some of his MORE annoying traits could indeed be scaled back a bit. But the character itself has always been necessary. Indeed, the entire point of Jar-Jar is that one scene in AOTC where he casts the deciding vote to create the clone army. That scene alone is the reason Jar-Jar exists. And for a very simple reason:
Life-changing decisions that can sway the fate of entire empires, often rest on the shoulders of the truly innocent. In this case, Jar-Jar is about the most innocent character you can find. The point is not that Jar-Jar is annoying (I mean, he IS, but that's not the reason to put him in there), the point is that he's optimistic and ignorant about what's really going on. He literally has no idea what he's done.
As for Sifo-Dyas: Is there any (canon) proof that he ever actually existed as a distinct person? I always thought it was just a fake identity used by Sidious.
Life-changing decisions that can sway the fate of entire empires, often rest on the shoulders of the truly innocent. In this case, Jar-Jar is about the most innocent character you can find. The point is not that Jar-Jar is annoying (I mean, he IS, but that's not the reason to put him in there), the point is that he's optimistic and ignorant about what's really going on. He literally has no idea what he's done.
As for Sifo-Dyas: Is there any (canon) proof that he ever actually existed as a distinct person? I always thought it was just a fake identity used by Sidious.
For Empire, I think there needed to be ore training, or more expansion of Luke's training in ROTJ. Either way, the two do not sync up well with Yoda's final words in ESB to his discussion with Luke in the beginning of ROTJ.
He was real, there was an episode about him in Clone Wars.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sifo-Dyas
He had the ability of Foresight, he saw the Clone War in a vision and warned the Jedi Council, he felt they didn't take it seriously enough and ordered the Clone Army.
Wasn't Sifo-Dyas featured in an EU (now Legends) novel?
The same can be said for Padme, when she denounced Chancellor Valorum. Or the Senate when they had voted to give Palpatine those extended powers.
I don't like the Ewoks, but I understood why Lucas had included them in the story.
"The Empire Strikes Back" is one of my top two favorite STAR WARS movie. But like the others, I felt it had its problems.
The same can be said for Padme, when she denounced Chancellor Valorum. Or the Senate when they had voted to give Palpatine those extended powers.
I don't like the Ewoks, but I understood why Lucas had included them in the story.
"The Empire Strikes Back" is one of my top two favorite STAR WARS movie. But like the others, I felt it had its problems.
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Yeah, Sifo-Dyas is never questioned as not existing by Obi-Wan, Mace or Yoda.
Well, if you're doing big edits, like a re-write and re-shoot, try this:
Episode 1: Leave out Jar Jar Binks (ENTIRELY!). Padme is a clone of that one really awesome queen Naboo had like a thousand years ago and they just keep cloning her again and again because she's actually really really good at governing. Make Anakin and Padme the same age, take Yoda OFF the Jedi Council so that he's a wise old trainer and a master Jedi but otherwise has no decision-making authority at all. Also, the fight with the Trade Federation is a cold war turned hot: Naboo and the TF have been fueding over control of some macguffin natural resource (kyber crystals, let's say) for five generations and now they've finally come to blows over it. Also, the war sort of continues even after the invasion gets repelled. Also, Palpatine is Chancellor of Naboo, not the whole Republic.
Episode 2: Leave out Count Dooku. Anakin and Padme have been meeting on the sly for years now (never got married, though, and never will; everyone assumes Luke and Leia are clones just like the rest of the royal have been, though everyone is puzzled as to why there's suddenly a male clone). The Clone Army was Padme's idea, since the Naboo don't have the technology to build a droid army but they do have really good cloning gear (and lots of practice). Palpatine gets her to expand the war to include anyone who does business with the Trade Federation. The Jedi go in to try and stop her, and Anakin trades sides because he loves her.
Episode 3: Opening scene is the decisive battle with the Trade Federation. Anakin kills like a hundred Jedi, captures the the Viceroy. They surrender, and he has them all executed because he's basically all Sith now. Padme wants to bring the war to an end now that the TF is no more, but Palpatine keeps pushing for expansion and more war. Padme fires Palpatine (Because Naboo is still technically a monarchy) and Paplatine gets the clone troopers to launch a coup.
Padme gets the Jedi to help stop the coup (they figure at least the monarchy is pro-peace), Anakin finds out about this, calls it "treason", joins the coup and fights on the side of the Clones like he always does.
Final duel is Obi-Won vs. Vader in a dog fight, Obi-Won shoots Anakin down and he crashes into the palace, mortally wounding Padme. Obi-Won and a handful of the surviving Jedi take Padme, the children and a few royalist/refugees into hiding, figuring that Palpatine is going to claim the throne and have the twins killed (Which he does). Finds out from Padme on her death bed that Anakin really was the father (even Anakin didn't know this, though he always suspected). Hyper-militarized Naboo renames itself The Galactic Empire and goes on a conquering spree. Anakin -- what's left of him -- leads the fleet in an invasion of Coruscant with a brand new star destroyer and a brand new suit of armor.
Less drastic edits that would actually go a long way:
Ep 1: Get rid of Jar Jar. SERIOUSLY. Edit him right the fuck out of that film.
Ep 2: Move Obi-Won's capture and the Jedi attack on Geonosis to the BEGINNING of the film, and edit the Clone Trooper invasion to come much later on. Maybe arrange it so that it seems like this huge force of, like, a thousand Jedi are all trapped on Geonosis fighting for their lives while Obi-Won and Anakin have to go on a mission to try and find some way to reinforce them (they wind up hiring the Clone Armies of Kamino, which causes the war to mushroom out of control).
Ep 3: Ditch that ridiculous Buzz Droid vs. Bugs Bunny sequence in the opening battle. Also, ditch the entire light saber duel at the end and make it a dog fight (seriously, it makes WAY more sense if Anakin got maimed by Obi-Won shooting him down).
Episode 1: Leave out Jar Jar Binks (ENTIRELY!). Padme is a clone of that one really awesome queen Naboo had like a thousand years ago and they just keep cloning her again and again because she's actually really really good at governing. Make Anakin and Padme the same age, take Yoda OFF the Jedi Council so that he's a wise old trainer and a master Jedi but otherwise has no decision-making authority at all. Also, the fight with the Trade Federation is a cold war turned hot: Naboo and the TF have been fueding over control of some macguffin natural resource (kyber crystals, let's say) for five generations and now they've finally come to blows over it. Also, the war sort of continues even after the invasion gets repelled. Also, Palpatine is Chancellor of Naboo, not the whole Republic.
Episode 2: Leave out Count Dooku. Anakin and Padme have been meeting on the sly for years now (never got married, though, and never will; everyone assumes Luke and Leia are clones just like the rest of the royal have been, though everyone is puzzled as to why there's suddenly a male clone). The Clone Army was Padme's idea, since the Naboo don't have the technology to build a droid army but they do have really good cloning gear (and lots of practice). Palpatine gets her to expand the war to include anyone who does business with the Trade Federation. The Jedi go in to try and stop her, and Anakin trades sides because he loves her.
Episode 3: Opening scene is the decisive battle with the Trade Federation. Anakin kills like a hundred Jedi, captures the the Viceroy. They surrender, and he has them all executed because he's basically all Sith now. Padme wants to bring the war to an end now that the TF is no more, but Palpatine keeps pushing for expansion and more war. Padme fires Palpatine (Because Naboo is still technically a monarchy) and Paplatine gets the clone troopers to launch a coup.
Padme gets the Jedi to help stop the coup (they figure at least the monarchy is pro-peace), Anakin finds out about this, calls it "treason", joins the coup and fights on the side of the Clones like he always does.
Final duel is Obi-Won vs. Vader in a dog fight, Obi-Won shoots Anakin down and he crashes into the palace, mortally wounding Padme. Obi-Won and a handful of the surviving Jedi take Padme, the children and a few royalist/refugees into hiding, figuring that Palpatine is going to claim the throne and have the twins killed (Which he does). Finds out from Padme on her death bed that Anakin really was the father (even Anakin didn't know this, though he always suspected). Hyper-militarized Naboo renames itself The Galactic Empire and goes on a conquering spree. Anakin -- what's left of him -- leads the fleet in an invasion of Coruscant with a brand new star destroyer and a brand new suit of armor.
Less drastic edits that would actually go a long way:
Ep 1: Get rid of Jar Jar. SERIOUSLY. Edit him right the fuck out of that film.
Ep 2: Move Obi-Won's capture and the Jedi attack on Geonosis to the BEGINNING of the film, and edit the Clone Trooper invasion to come much later on. Maybe arrange it so that it seems like this huge force of, like, a thousand Jedi are all trapped on Geonosis fighting for their lives while Obi-Won and Anakin have to go on a mission to try and find some way to reinforce them (they wind up hiring the Clone Armies of Kamino, which causes the war to mushroom out of control).
Ep 3: Ditch that ridiculous Buzz Droid vs. Bugs Bunny sequence in the opening battle. Also, ditch the entire light saber duel at the end and make it a dog fight (seriously, it makes WAY more sense if Anakin got maimed by Obi-Won shooting him down).
You've got a couple of crazy cool ideas there. If you've ever thought of trying your hand at fan fiction, you ought to flesh these out and give it a go. Just one flaw I can see, although you may have it worked out mentally- almost no mention of Obi-Wan and how he figures in to a friend/mentor relationship with Anakin in this tale, the relationship to Owen/Beru, and how Luke ends up on Tatooine.
For the first: Just make Anakin a rookie pilot who Obi-Won notices for the first time during the Naboo mission. Yoda refuses to train him (says he's too old) so Obi-Won takes him as an apprentice to try and prove him wrong. In the end, part of Anakin's slide to the dark side comes out of divided loyalties: torn between the Jedi, who are devoted to galactic peace and the resolution of conflicts without bloodshed, and to Naboo, his home planet, which he believes can only truly be safe if their long-time enemy is decisively defeated. He's stuck having to choose between peace (Obi-Won) and victory (Palpatine) and eventually chooses victory.
Own and Beru: members of the Naboo royal family gone into hiding.
Might be right about fleshing these out, though. Never done a star wars fic before...
I'd read itFor the first: Just make Anakin a rookie pilot who Obi-Won notices for the first time during the Naboo mission. Yoda refuses to train him (says he's too old) so Obi-Won takes him as an apprentice to try and prove him wrong. In the end, part of Anakin's slide to the dark side comes out of divided loyalties: torn between the Jedi, who are devoted to galactic peace and the resolution of conflicts without bloodshed, and to Naboo, his home planet, which he believes can only truly be safe if their long-time enemy is decisively defeated. He's stuck having to choose between peace (Obi-Won) and victory (Palpatine) and eventually chooses victory.
Own and Beru: members of the Naboo royal family gone into hiding.
Might be right about fleshing these out, though. Never done a star wars fic before...
Just a question though-would you want Alderaan in there some where?
You're right. It IS a message board which means you are free to start your own thread on the OT.
Clearly the OP doesn't want to make his question so broad as to cover the entire saga. My guess for him picking the PT for possible changes is due to the unpopularity of the PT as compared to the OT. It's nothing personal.
The thing is . . . exactly how unpopular are the PT movies? Because I have come across a great number of people who are fans of them. I'm not saying there are only a few fans who dislike them. It just seems that the bashers tend to forget that their opinion of the PT isn't the only one and that there are a lot of people who are actually fans.
That's a hard thing to quantify. Rotten tomatoes is a site that averages critics and viewers opinions on movies and their scores are pretty consistent with the opinions I've seen across the net and from friends and family on Star Wars
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/franchise/star_wars_saga
Far as answering the OP, I'M fine with most of the actors and characters in the PT,(except Jar Jar). It the way they are written and filmed that make them so bland and lifeless.
I'd start Episode 1 with Anakin already training with Obi Wan and showing a real bond forming. The movie would end with Anakin completing his trials just as the Clone Wars begin. Darth Maul would still be alive and Palpatines true persona would not be so obvious.
Episode 2 would show Darth Maul as the leader of the Seperatists. The Jedi characters would be even more fleshed out so that you actually care about them when Episode 3 and Order 66 happens. Anakin's turn towards the Dark Side is more gradual and has him choosing that path by choice and not because he feels he has to. Naturally it happens when he has a fight to death with Darth Maul and defeats him.
Also, more practical effects and sets and less CGI.
I'd start Episode 1 with Anakin already training with Obi Wan and showing a real bond forming. The movie would end with Anakin completing his trials just as the Clone Wars begin. Darth Maul would still be alive and Palpatines true persona would not be so obvious.
Episode 2 would show Darth Maul as the leader of the Seperatists. The Jedi characters would be even more fleshed out so that you actually care about them when Episode 3 and Order 66 happens. Anakin's turn towards the Dark Side is more gradual and has him choosing that path by choice and not because he feels he has to. Naturally it happens when he has a fight to death with Darth Maul and defeats him.
Also, more practical effects and sets and less CGI.
The other difficulty is popularity isn't a measure of quality either. Not that the PT "have to be" redone, but that I think there is a place for that consideration.
Seeing as how I'm one of the few people on the planet that didn't like Avatar I can understand not agreeing with the majority. But if we're trying to measure a films true popularity by more than just box office then that's about as close as you can come to doing so.
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