Could have been worse. In early drafts his name was "Sido-Dias."
But, yeah, that plot point was a major misstep.
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But, yeah, that plot point was a major misstep.
Since he was an alias for Sidious/Palpatine. There is nothing wrong with that. Making Sifo-Dyas as an existing Jedi just made it harder for the Jedi to make the connection between the Clone Army and the Sith. While Sido-Dyas would be obvious especially when Dooku told Obi-Wan about Sidious on Geonosis.
The Clone Army plot sort of came up when Obi-wan was looking for the assassin hired to kill Senator Amidala. It wasn't what he was looking for, so he didn't focus on it. He got some information, let the Council know, then continued on his mission, hoping that he might get answers from Fett, but with all the business leaders making a deal with Count Dooku causing Obi-wan to be distracted even more from him mission, captured, and the Jedi (plus Skywalker and Amidala going in against the wishes of the Council/Republic), all that got lost as the war started. The Jedi/Republic deciding to just accept the Clone Army that has for some reason been created for them by a Jedi that has been dead for a decade, with no motive sensed by the Jedi, and use it against this very obvious massive combined Droid Army threat. The Jedi, I suppose, guessed everything was the will of the Force since things fell into place for them, and just went with it, not knowing about the Sith plot. Dooku's talk with Obi-wan wouldn't get to the ears of the Council until after the Battle of Geonosis. Even then, I am not sure they classified Count Dooku as a Sith Lord until later in the war. And then, via the Clone Wars, mistakenly thought that Dooku and Maul were the Sith Lords until near the end. Only then did they start to figure out there was still the Sith Lord Dooku had mentioned was controlling the Senate all those year ago. By then it was far too late, and the Jedi had all but lost. All that was needed was an excuse for Palpatine to have them exterminated and have the public praise him for it.
It's a interesting conundrum that is raised in AOTC. I agree that they didn't think Dooku was a Sith Lord, especially at the beginning of the film, when Mace Windu declares "Count Dooku was once a Jedi. He couldn't assassinate anybody. It's not in his character." At the end, Yoda makes the comment, "Join the Dark Side, Dooku has. Lies, deceit, creating mistrust..." which is an interesting statement in contrast to Windu's earlier one. So, while they don't think he is a Sith Lord, the Jedi certainly recognized that his allegiance and character have changed.
It's an old axiom that the best lies are told with as much of the truth as possible.
In theory, Dooku does have good intentions. Replace the corrupt senate with a Jedi run government. After he's given them the full run through about how things should work in the galaxy and some minor dark side teachings so they will understand why they should rule over the galaxy. Palpatine? Eh, when the war's over and the Jedi take over, who will need that old wind bag of a Sith Lord? While Dooku had no full on intentions of overthrowing his master, nor did he want to rule the Republic, he did want to shift things politically so the Jedi way of Justice would rule. Even if a little Sith tainted, it be better than those squabbling and greedy politicians and corporate wind bags.
The Revenge of the Sith novel goes into to Dooku's thought both before and during his last duel with Obi-wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker. What he thought the plan was for the end of the war and the aftermath rebuilding of the Republic in their image. Only at the end did he finally understand the Sith....and the inevitable betrayal of Palpatine due to Dooku not actually following the Rule of Two correctly. Dooku wanted to turn Obi-wan to the dark side to help them restructure the Jedi Order and Republic. Dooku was suppose to learn and then overthrow his master to become the Sith Master, but Dooku was content to stay was they were, while Palpatine was grooming Skywalker to take Dooku's place/
I always figured Palps used Dooku as an 'interim apprentice' during the years Anakin was growing up and being trained. It's obvious from their conversations, especially in ROTS, that the 'grooming' in the form of fatherly advice has been going on for some time. Dooku is too old, and it seems plain that Palps was using him as a front to run the Separatist side of things without ever giving him too much information or even proper Sith knowledge. He was never meant to pose a serious challenge to Palps, but to be discarded in favor of Anakin when the time was right. It was just icing on the cake for him that he was able to get Anakin to do the deed, sliding him a little farther down the dark path.
That is because in Legends EU, the Rule of Two is less a rule and more a guideline that everyone skirts around. Palpatine doesn't even follow the Rule of Two. For example he is actually still an apprentice in TPM according to the Plagueis novel and Darth Maul is totally in the dark about this. Dooku himself has a large number of Force sensitive minions in Clone Wars. And his dream was to expand on that. And Palpatine does that as Emperor with the Emperor's Hands, the Inquisitors and the Dark Side Elite.
Only in theory in Legends, but Palpatine never was going to let anyone succeed him once he mastered immortality by transferring his essence into his clones. And in pre-Reboot TCW, Dooku clearly was also set on overthrowing Palpatine eventually with an apprentice (such as Savage).
I figured that as well, but that doesn't mean Dooku didn't have his own machinations, and plots within plots, just like Palpatine did.
That's one of the reasons I like the novel so much, is it gives insight in to what Dooku thinks the ultimate plan is as far as the end goal. It also sheds light on the fact that Dooku is a speciest, and is on board with crushing different alien races under the heel of the Sith Empire.
While that didn't end up being the complete case with Palpatine, there are certainly echoes of what would become the Galactic Empire in Dooku's own thoughts.
This may be slightly off topic.
I was wondering if the title "count" was added to the Dooku character's name because the character was played by Christopher Lee? Could it have been Lucas' tribute to Lee's performances as Count Dracula in his earlier career? Dooku wasn't called a Darth. And he was the only Count that I could remember in the Star Wars movies.
I was wondering if the title "count" was added to the Dooku character's name because the character was played by Christopher Lee? Could it have been Lucas' tribute to Lee's performances as Count Dracula in his earlier career? Dooku wasn't called a Darth. And he was the only Count that I could remember in the Star Wars movies.
Weren't those characters pretty much just Dark Jedi, and not true Sith? I don't know if it's still the case in the Disney canon, but I know in the EU the Sith followed a specific philosophy, and there were Dark Jedi who didn't follow that philosophy, and thus weren't "Sith".
I think another way the prequels could have been improved would have been by casting Brendan Fraser as Anakin Skywalker.
Pros:
1. Fairly big dude.
2. Already proved he had the action chops with the Mummy
3. Capable of comedic moments
4. Capable of projecting menace
Cons:
1. Maybe a little too old for Anakin as we saw in Episode II.
Discuss!
Pros:
1. Fairly big dude.
2. Already proved he had the action chops with the Mummy
3. Capable of comedic moments
4. Capable of projecting menace
Cons:
1. Maybe a little too old for Anakin as we saw in Episode II.
Discuss!
In theory it's true. But practically no since the Legends never made a concerted effort to define the difference between a "Dark Jedi" from "Sith" other vague things like "philosophy" or "power". The difference was most hierarchical, the Sith called the shots and the "Dark Jedi" followed.
He was known as Darth Tyranus to Palpatine.
