Was Hitler actually evil?

[Locutus of Bored]

I dont know...When I see what the Jewish people are doing to the American Economy today I often wonder if Hitler was really wrong.
Let's see, Apparently the German Economy was on the verge of bankruptcy before WW2. Hitler had to forcibly take back all of the hoarded wealth from the Hoarders. Almost the same thing is happening in America today. We just havent taken back our wealth from Goldenman Sacks and Morgan Stanley and the Federal Reserve...(All run by Jewish people)
And dont forget little sheep...History is written by the victor. So you can take atleast 1/2 of the things "Our" government tells us as a straight up lie or embelishment...
Just offering an alternative point of view or all the sheep...

See what I mean about Little Sheep? Im not saying killing 6 million people is a good thing. But the Jewish People take a place/country/land and they infest it and take over all the financial institutions. Then they drain it of all its resources and Hoard them.

I'm just limiting this to one infraction for trolling for the first post for now, but technically I could get you for two counts of trolling with these two posts plus flaming for the "sheep" comment in your second post where you are clearly referring to those people here who disagree with you.

You knew what kind of reaction you'd get with these comments, which is why you poisoned the well by calling anyone who would potentially disagree with you a "sheep" right off the bat. If you feel like we're stamping on your rights to be a bigot, I'm sure there are plenty of sites who would welcome your brand of discussion, like say Stormfront. Take that shit there and you'll be greeted with open arms. This is not the place.

So am I wrong that places like Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sacks, and even the Federal Reserve are run by a majoity of Jewish people? And Am I wrong that our counrty (USA) is on the verge of bankruptcy?

Yes, you are wrong, both ethically and factually. I can't believe I'm even arguing your bullshit with facts, but here we go...

The current board of directors of Goldman Sachs (which you didn't even spell correctly despite accusing them of being part of a massive Jewish conspiracy to bankrupt the country, which serves the alleged Jewish agenda of making more money, how, exactly?). Lots of non-Jewish names on that list. A majority, you might even say.

The current board of directors of Morgan Stanley. Looks like a majority of non-Jewish names there too.

The Board of Governors and Federal Open Market Committee (scroll down to the list of Federal Reserve Banks for their names) of the US Federal Reserve. Mostly non-Jewish names.

How about the US Congress? There are currently 13 Jewish members of the Senate and 30 Jewish members of the House of Representatives, which is the highest amount in US history. Thus calling into question how they managed to destroy the US economy against the overwhelming Christian majority in Congress.

While they've historically been a convenient scapegoat - partially because of their successful minority status - it still doesn't change the fact that they were still a minority in comparison to Christian or other groups, so trying to lay the blame on them for taking down economies and governments where other groups have a vast majority is just making excuses.

 

[Gepard]

I didn't know Mel Gibson posts here. But I see Locutus has rolled out the red carpet.

 

[chardman]

But the Jewish People take a place/country/land and they infest it and take over all the financial institutions.

Link from a not batshit insane White Supremacy / Jewish banking conspiracy site?

Then they drain it of all its resources and Hoard them.

Again, any non-crazy evidence of this whatsoever?

So am I wrong that places like Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sacks, and even the Federal Reserve are run by a majoity of Jewish people?

Pretty sure you're wrong. Jews make up a sizable minority of those in the economic sector, but the vast majority of bankers/brokers/economists are WASPS.

And Am I wrong that our counrty (USA) is on the verge of bankruptcy?

On this, you're correct, but I'm pretty sure that the primary culprit, George W. Bush, isn't Jewish.

 

[The Boy Who Cried Worf]

Well this thread has taken a fun turn(breaks out the popcorn).

 

[The Boy Who Cried Worf]

Hitler did one thing that Stalin was never ever to do...he totally destroyed the name Adolf. Joesph is still fine and good but how many Adolfs do you know?

Too bad he couldn't do the same for Shicklgruber.

 

[Kira's Mom]

See what I mean about Little Sheep? Im not saying killing 6 million people is a good thing. But the Jewish People take a place/country/land and they infest it and take over all the financial institutions. Then they drain it of all its resources and Hoard them.
So am I wrong that places like Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sacks, and even the Federal Reserve are run by a majoity of Jewish people? And Am I wrong that our counrty (USA) is on the verge of bankruptcy?

You can't possibly be serious.

I heard about this post and had to see it to believe it. Unbelievable.

Yes, Hilter was evil. So was Stalin. Most dictators in history were pretty evil- but we got two of the worst ever in the 20th Century.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

I didn't know Mel Gibson posts here. But I see Locutus has rolled out the red carpet.

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ae_Kskfw6c[/yt]

http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/71624/SNL-s-Apocalypto-Recut-trailer.html

 

[T'Girl]

I work at a large insurance company where there is, to my knowledge, only one Jewish person.

She is soft and round and smells very nice.

 

[Jetfire]

I always thought evil had to do with the absence of love...and of course Hitler and those like him had no love for their fellow man(ie killing[<-being connected to] millions of people). I would say that the acts are very much evil. I am not going to go as far as stamping an "evil" sticker on his forehead because we all have the same capacity for good as well as evil...after all we are all human. Evil is everywhere, just turn on the news, do a internet search.

 

[PKTrekGirl]

Hitler's 'motivation' for the holocaust was genocide. Pure, unadulterated, genocide.

No matter how you slice it, that's just Evil - as in, with a capital "E".

Frankly, it boggles the mind that anyone could even entertain the notion that he was anything BUT evil.

See what I mean about Little Sheep? Im not saying killing 6 million people is a good thing. But the Jewish People take a place/country/land and they infest it and take over all the financial institutions. Then they drain it of all its resources and Hoard them.
So am I wrong that places like Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sacks, and even the Federal Reserve are run by a majoity of Jewish people? And Am I wrong that our counrty (USA) is on the verge of bankruptcy?

You can't possibly be serious.

Really.

This is one of the most anti-Semitic things I've ever seen posted on this board. Truly stunning.

 

[Jetfire]

Hitler's 'motivation' for the holocaust was genocide. Pure, unadulterated, genocide.

No matter how you slice it, that's just Evil - as in, with a capital "E".

Frankly, it boggles the mind that anyone could even entertain the notion that he was anything BUT evil.

The acts are very Evil, yes...but giving him or anyone else this title is giving that individual more power than they deserve. There is no question that the acts of Hitler and people like him are evil but we lose site of what creates this and how to prevent it from happening when we just slap and evil title on a person and let it go at that.

 

[Newspaper Taxi]

Here's a moral quandary for you -- How do evilness and mental disorders go together? Hitler was obviously off his rocker; insanity of some kind and probably a good deal of depression not to admit anti-social personality and what not. But can a person be evil if they're insane? I'm not saying Adolf should be forgiven because he was crazy -- all philosophy aside, he deserved the fullest punishment possible by law. But is it more evil for an insane person to murder, or more evil for a non-insane person to murder? Or is just the action evil?

 

[suarezguy]

If relativism cannot even condemn those who MOST deserve condemnation in our history, then it is worthless. Period. Evil MUST be named, condemned, and opposed.

Yes, but you should judge your own actions as thoroughly and objectively as you judge those of others. The main alternative to relativism is absolute and eternal oppositions between groups, which can lead to evil.

I think cultural relativism is problematic. Moral laws are moral laws, and they don't change just because.

If we think of morality as eternal laws, we couldn't change the bad ones. Some prohibitions are legitimately absolute, but many are not and yet they would be protected under an absolutist approach.

Human sacrifice is wrong, not just because it brings about an evil, but because it IS evil. No amount of excuse making can make it OK to murder someone in cold blood. Not even if you think that this will bring about a good for hundreds or thousands of others.

Motivation has to make some sort of difference. The death penalty, though conveniently not viewed as being in cold blood, is killing often justified on utilitarian grounds.

I really, really hate to see the casual way in which the "we're the good guys, they're evil" mentality ignores the complexities of all side's behaviour.

Sometimes things really are that simple. Absolutes do exist. There are people who are genuinely good

No one is completely good.

 

[Deranged Nasat]

Because the "ideals" of the other people include eradicating all Jews, Blacks, Gypsies, Homosexuals and pretty much everyone else, as well as forcing the survivors to live in a dark, fearful, oppressive society where culture is criminalized and citizens have no Rights, and if you don't do what you can to defend your own ideals these other people will come and kill you.

I'm not saying I disagree, my friend. You're right. But I really, really hate to see the casual way in which the "we're the good guys, they're evil" mentality ignores the complexities of all side's behaviour.

Yes, it can certainly be complex. It's true that we sometimes have to fight for our Rights and Freedom, but there are those who will recycle that truth as propaganda to promote their own agenda. Worse yet, a war (or any situation) can be both a truth and a lie at the same time. Which is why we all should always be clear in the whys and wherefores of what we do, and be able to back it up with hard reality.

Well, I have no issues with that.

 

[Roger Wilco]

I work at a large insurance company where there is, to my knowledge, only one Jewish person.

She is soft and round and smells very nice.

Do you sit on her lap or what?

 

[gturner]

The reason I said I wasn't sure Hitler was a sociopath whereas I think Mussolini was one is based on their behavior, in terms of DSRM IV, etc. Mussolini stabbed several kids when he was in grade school, for no apparent reason. His early life was marked by getting in trouble as a rabble rouser. He had a string of girlfriends, including Jewish ones, but it's quite likely that he formed no close personal bonds. He changed his political philosophy almost continuously, based on what was most advantageous or entertaining for him at the time, as if nothing had any real meaning to him except in relation to himself. He liked getting over on people, not to mention having them beat up.

On the other hand, Hitler just seems a very cold, ideologically driven figure whose Nazi philosophy was intensely evil. In the Nazi worldview the race must be purified and it is the race and nation that is the actor on the world stage, not individuals. It's as if individuals were as cells in the body. Some were cancerous and must be excised, while other healthy cells must be sacrificied for the greater good of the whole, like taking a few wounds to kill an enemy. For the German people to thrive millions of others would have to be purged, much like weeding a garden or clearing land. He was not at all adverse to eliminating those whose deaths would, in his view, improve things. You could compare him to the machines in The Matrix. Absolute evil because they are coldly rational and view humans as crops.

He led his death cult because he believed in it, a worldview that might have parallels in many earlier European monarchs, deranged Caesars, Mongolian hordes, etc. who had no regard for serfs, foreigners, or slaves.

If bitterness over his rejection as an artist (he was a pretty good painter in the old style of just painting things a mechanic might hang in the living room) hadn't happened, and if he hadn't fallen into the circulating conspiracy theories and racial claptrap, he might've ended up a benign shopkeeper or insurance salesman with delusions of grandeur.

So I would say that it's not necessarily something inherent that was innate to his brain that was evil. It was the contents that he filled it with. I think Mussolini is more likely to have been a sociopath, but not all sociopaths commit incredibly evil acts. Most of them lie, cheat, steal, and take advantage of people in their youth and early adulthood and then more intelligently try to optimize their situation for their own gain or aggrandizement. Hitler was more like a psycho cult leader whose life was not going to end well.

 

[Sci]

"Was Hitler actually evil?"

Yes.

Next question?

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

I'm surprised that people with such opinions post on a Star Trek BBS.

I just assume they're posting from the TrekBBS in the mirror universe. You can tell them by their goatee beards.

 

[Bloodwhiner]

Was Hitler insane? No, he did have a mental breakdown late in he war and trusted no one. One must also understand that he never did trust his generals in the Wehrmacht. That goes back to his time in trenches of WW1 when infantry was still little more than cannon fodder.

Was the man disturbed? undoubtably as he lost contact with all reality.

Militarily he was a game changer. He succeeded early because he did things differently, in ways that the established military leaders of the world did not think possible. Once the fighting moved from blitzkrieg to the more traditional strategy he was lost. His battle style only worked when his opponent was off-balance or surprised. That was true even at the end and can be seen in the Battle of the Bulge.

Moving on, I have always been curious how the Nazi's and the Japanese could ever have worked together. Both were xenophobic cultures and thought the other to be vastly inferior. How did their association fit into their mindset of cultural/racial purity? What would have happened if the Axis had won, how long before they would have turned on each other?

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Hitler did one thing that Stalin was never ever to do...he totally destroyed the name Adolf. Joesph is still fine and good but how many Adolfs do you know?

He also destroyed the toothbrush mustache.

Poor Oliver Hardy.