Walking Dead Season 7 Discussion - Spoilers possible!

[Trekker4747]

Sahsa's death, even though I knew it was coming, was very well done and, hell, even in the opening moments of the episode you knew it was coming because we pretty much saw her die in the opening shot.

But her death, for me, was a lot like Sophia's death in season 2. I knew there was no way she was going to be found alive, if they found a 10-year-old-girl alive who was living in the woods during a zombie apocalypse for several days it'd take all of the bite out of the threat of the walkers. Why are these people afraid of them if a timid little girl can last on her own for several days?

Then when they found the walkers in the barn I knew where she was. She was attacked by a walker, died, turned, and was placed in the barn by Otis at some point. But the emotional impact of her coming out of the barn having turned and seeing the characters' reaction and Rick stepping up to put-down walker Sophia was very well done and emotional.

Same with Sasha, I knew she was dead, but the way it was done was very powerful and good.

And, yeah, I wanted to cheer when Shiva leaped into frame and mawled red-shirt Savior. Freaking awesome moment.

Oh, and what was with the '80s synth/"Stranger Things"-like music over the ending battle?

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

Anyone else thinking this may be their bailing point? Instead of much watch TV, this season has been forcing myself to watch. I don't like leaving shows that aren't finished but there's so much other quality TV I think I may be done, unless next seasons reviews are spectacular.

This is exactly how I felt. It was literally a scheduled chore for me to get through 7A. By the time 7B started I couldn't even force myself to watch them anymore and only tuned in for the finale...keeping up with the reviews and saying, 'Okay, I guess I didn't miss much this weekend.' I told myself that if the finale made me want to go back and catch up on the episodes I missed, I'd be all for it. But really, going from the end of 7A straight to the finale it was pretty easy to say, 'Okay, all I missed was table-dressing and probably a lot of boring, pointless conversations and negotiations.'

For me TWD has become just plain boring, and it breaks my heart

The finale itself was pretty entertaining, but a couple things I found absurd and tiring. Sasha is like the hundredth person to try and kill Negan and fails (twice!). There is no suspense to any character trying to kill Negan. It is just not an interesting storytelling point. What made it worse was that her death was a given (for obvious trekky reasons). I will admit that her scenes were great, and it made me really look forward to what she might be able to do in Discovery with some actual writing to back up her acting. Then that huge shootout and no important (or even semi-important) characters are killed. Don't get me wrong, I'm not like waiting for them to kill off the few likable characters that are left, but this was just implausible. They could have at least thrown us a bone and kill off one of those insufferable Savior lieutenants.

 

[wayoung]

Glens dumpster was my turning point. I actually really liked the first half of last season up until that cheap fake out - thought it was a great idea having the half season follow one day, one disaster.

But the dumpster was a sign of things to come.

 

[Trekker4747]

People still upset over the stupid dumpster thing.

 

[Scout101]

It was a cheat, and broke the audience's trust. Not a shock that people aren't just letting it go.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

The ZA has been going on for the greater part of 3 years, we may be able to argue for almost 4 considering how Judith now looks, and if The Scavengers are anything like the Alexandrians they've probably been together and isolated pretty much since the beginning. So, as ridiculous as it may seem it's "possible" for them to have simply rebuilt the way they talk out of some form of necessity or efficiency and have been doing it long enough and consistently enough it's neutered their regular way of speaking.
Like my friend, they could probably undo this programming pretty quickly if they began speaking regularly again, but for them this way of talking works for their purposes. Think about it, with hand signals, a nod and a flare, not having to speak a word, Jadis was able to get her lieutenant to signal the others to lay out a smoke-screen and to cut and run.

Rick's group didn't even have a plan to regroup somewhere should something drastic happen at the prison and all of the characters wandered and stumbled around for several days before reuniting at Terminus. Granted, stupidity on their part for not having some form of contingency organized for at least the core group to meet somewhere in an emergency, but it still wouldn't have been easy or effective to tell everyone, with a short signal, "abandon the plan, meet at the place." Jadis was able to get her group to do this with a couple signals.

Very efficient. They are Jadis.

I get the point about your friend, but codes (numbers or letters) are commonly used today for very specific actions by business, the military, sports teams, etc., with no need for the language of Jadis and her people, which sounds like Yoda after being hit in the head with a hammer a few dozen times.

They are Jadis.

They are freaky. No wonder poor Rick backed away with a "Shhhiiittt. You are not touching me!" expression on his face!

I still have a problem with her gambling that she would have enough time to die and turn in that timeframe. I guess either she lunged out a walker (and maybe gets Negan) or else her corpse falls out and at least Negan's lost his bargaining chip. Thinking about it Sasha didn't have many options I suppose.

Well, I maintain she was betting Eugene was correct that the pill would take 45 minutes to work, and that was plenty of time on a (nearly) two-hour trip. While her plan to kill Negan failed, the shock of her death and attack certainly allowed her friends to take down a good number of the Saviors/Scavengers.

 

[Trekker4747]

I get the point about your friend, but codes (numbers or letters) are commonly used today for very specific actions by business, the military, sports teams, etc., with no need for the language of Jadis and her people, which sounds like Yoda after being hit in the head with a hammer a few dozen times.

Yeah, but soldiers don't work in environments were literally every noise they make means something could come and bite their face off. For whatever reason The Scavengers found it easier/better to use a concise language and hand signals at all times in order to not lure in unwanted attention be it from other people or walkers.

 

[Mojochi]

Why are they letting Negan leave, without getting in vehicles & giving chase? There's enough people collected to split the force & take a fairly huge squad after him, leaving certain people, like ones who have tigers with them, to look after the surviving combatants. You have the home field advantage, & probably enough vehicles to swarm his. Your goal isn't to drive him away, it's to have it be f i n i s h e d.

Ummm... Why is Dwight going with them, when he could just kill whoever he's riding with... which might have even been Negan himself?

Uhh.... HTF does full blown war break out, but the leader of the Heapsters just stands there, exposed on a platform, fully erect, pointing a gun at Rick, without SOMEBODY shooting at her? I'm pretty sure that the target value checklist starts with Negan, his top guys like Simon, & her! That may be the most unbelievable thing of all. It's a war zone. It was an exciting exchange, but it just doesn't hold up.

 

[Aragorn]

The final battle as staged was pretty amateur hour. It didn't feel like they thought it out and just let them run around like kids on the playground during recess.

 

[theenglish]

I enjoyed the episode. As someone who has read the comics, I had the reverse reaction--wondering if the kingdom wasn't going to show.

I still don't understand why Sasha had to leave for Star Trek--the new Star Trek only has a few episodes I thought. Considering how much on screen time she had, surely she could do both series at the same time?

 

[Turtletrekker]

I would wager that it went the other way around-- Sonequa's agent probably got her the Star Trek audition after they found out Sasha was being killed off.

 

[theenglish]

That sounds more correct considering production timelines. Thanks.

I would wager that it went the other way around-- Sonequa's agent probably got her the Star Trek audition after they found out Sasha was being killed off.

 

[Turtletrekker]

That sounds more correct considering production timelines. Thanks.

Ironically, I just found this on-line...

“I’m just so grateful to God for it,” Martin-Green tells Entertainment Weekly. “It couldn’t have worked out more perfectly because what was happening on Walking Dead was already underway. It was the path. It was definitely in place. And then as we were going into the very end of the season, the very end of our shoot for the season — that’s when the opportunity for Star Trek came. And so I know some people might think that I left Walking Dead to do Star Trek, but it did not happen that way. It was after Walking Dead was already ending that the opportunity for Star Trek came.”

 

[Starkers]

The final battle as staged was pretty amateur hour. It didn't feel like they thought it out and just let them run around like kids on the playground during recess.

That's probably how such a fight would go down though given very few of the survivors appear to be trained military.

 

[Starkers]

Slightly off topic but I had a quick question about the earlier seasons. Some friends and I have been discussing this, and one of my friends clearly remembers a plane being sighted in the sky by Rick (or someone else.) I have a vague recollection but suspect what I might be recalling was the helicopter that came down (and whose crew was massacred by the Governor's men). Can anyone clarify if there ever was such a scene?

 

[Morpheus 02]

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Slightly off topic but I had a quick question about the earlier seasons. Some friends and I have been discussing this, and one of my friends clearly remembers a plane being sighted in the sky by Rick (or someone else.) I have a vague recollection but suspect what I might be recalling was the helicopter that came down (and whose crew was massacred by the Governor's men). Can anyone clarify if there ever was such a scene?

I know there was a helicopter in season 1. I am not sure if that was the same one we saw with the governor...But evidently a plot thread that evidebtky got pulled out when Frank Darabont left.

 

[wayoung]

28 days later had a plane at the end, maybe that's the confusion?

I do remember CDC guy (before he blew up the compound and went to work as the world's most incompetent counter espionage agent) saying that there was a rumour France had figured out the virus, and then there was a radio message in French no one heard....

 

[kitik]

It was a helicopter, and we later learned that it was the national guard that the Governor later ambushed.

Fear the Walking Dead had the plane flying over, about to crash. Which we later saw the aftereffects of in the second season.

 

[Starkers]

Thanks everyone!

 

[KyleRaynous]

Sahsa's death, even though I knew it was coming, was very well done and, hell, even in the opening moments of the episode you knew it was coming because we pretty much saw her die in the opening shot.

But her death, for me, was a lot like Sophia's death in season 2.

That was ridiculous. They could have tried to make it less obvious. As for the comparison with Sofia, it seems inappropriate. The whole group was committed to her search for the entire first half of season 2. It had meaning. Sasha was just an idiot who got herself into the mess (at least Sofia had the excuse of being a child).

This season was by far the weakest. I think I'm done with TWD. I'ill see some key chapter later for pure entertainment, as long as it doesn't involve a battle where they only show people firing weapons, like the final episode of this season. Stretch, and stretch to the utmost. That was the motto. From the very intrigue at the beginning with whom Negan had massacred in the previous season finale. I wish they had stayed with the format of 13 episodes as in the third season. Except for the fifth one, it always involve an excess of boring chapters in between.