Voyager Wh@re!
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Nope. It's much simpler than that: It's always wrong kill an innocent person.
But what about two people? Don't Tuvok and Neelix also have the right to continue living? Why should Tuvix's desire to live outweigh the right for them to continue their lives?
At what point did he become an individual and not a transporter accident?
(On topic: When I like something in Voyager, I'll say that. When I don't like something, I'll also say it.)
You take the good, you take the bad, you take them both and there you have the facts of life. No matter what UPN thought, everything is interconnected. Janeway can't reap the rewards of being awesome in some stories without being simultaneously drowned for being a mean asshole in others. Almost daily I hear people singing the Nazi Party the highest praises because they got the trains to run on time, but is that really all they ever did?
So, it's all right to kill one person to save two? Depriving an innocent person of his life, however we dress it up, is always immoral.
If such a circumstance should arise, why should Janeway's desire to live outweigh the rights of injured crewmen (or the injured Royal Family of some planet) to live if Janeway's organs could save them?
Tuvix never was a "transporter accident"--he was an individual created by a transporter accident. A person is never a "doggy style sex act" or an "artificial insemination" but an individual created by that method.
It cuts both ways, though. It's not a cut and dried situation.
Exactly. No one is saying killing Tuvix was okay. At the same time not saving Tuvok and Neelix is also not okay. There is no winning side morally. That's why this is referred to as a no-win situation for Janeway.
If that's not clear I'm going to have to break out the coloring books and crayons and draw some pictures which I just remembered I can't do because I don't own any. (The last ones I bought were for my nephews). So that means I'm done with this topic.
Exactly. No one is saying killing Tuvix was okay. At the same time not saving Tuvok and Neelix is also not okay. There is no winning side morally. That's why this is referred to as a no-win situation for Janeway.
If that's not clear I'm going to have to break out the coloring books and crayons and draw some pictures which I just remembered I can't do because I don't own any. (The last ones I bought were for my nephews). So that means I'm done with this topic.
Actually, I've read a few posts commending and celebrating Janeway for murdering Tuvix and Neelix... Tuvok on the other had seems to be beloved by all. 
My point was you can agree or disagree with the decision Janeway made but that doesn't make either path the "morally correct" one.
Tuvok on the other had seems to be beloved by all.
That's because Tuvie rocks.
Terry Shrivo?
Well, if we were to argue the Terri Schiavo case, we would be disputing a different issue: heroic measures.
Innocent? Let's see now, trafficking in stolen organs, false imprisonment, aiding and abetting in
two kidnappings (after the fact).
I'm glad we've come to an agreement of Janeway's intentions in the episode.
Thank you so much.
Quick! Let's get a fire started, grab a guitar, and some marshmellows. We can sing something around the campfire...
Shame on you, Exodus! Trying to put poor Tuvix on life support to win an argument.
