USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?

[Dukhat]

And yet, you seem to be the only one who doesn't get it.

We've given reasons for your WHY.
Apparently that isn't good enough for you, even though it's been the Actual EPISODES that have the characters stating it as a FACT.
I guess you'll have to discover your own answers at this point.

And as I mentioned before, the episodes state that people are in awe of the class, but not actually giving concrete reasons why. The reasons everyone here have given are fan speculation. Now if there is dialogue in the show that backs those fan assertions up, please feel free post them. But things like "there's only 12 like her in the fleet" is not a concrete reason why the class is so revered. Kirk was simply giving Christopher a factual statement about the number of ships in the class, not that the class was in any way special.

 

[Boris Skrbic]

And as I mentioned before, the episodes state that people are in awe of the class, but not actually giving concrete reasons why. The reasons everyone here have given are fan speculation. Now if there is dialogue in the show that backs those fan assertions up, please feel free post them. But things like "there's only 12 like her in the fleet" is not a concrete reason why the class is so revered. Kirk was simply giving Christopher a factual statement about the number of ships in the class, not that the class was in any way special.

From the writers’ bible: “The U.S.S. Enterprise is a spaceship, official designation ‘starship class’; somewhat larger than a present-day naval cruiser, it is the largest and most modern type vessel in the Starfleet Service.”

 

[Dukhat]

From the writers’ bible: “The U.S.S. Enterprise is a spaceship, official designation ‘starship class’; somewhat larger than a present-day naval cruiser, it is the largest and most modern type vessel in the Starfleet Service.”

1. That was never mentioned in the show.

2. DSC contradicts that.

 

[Boris Skrbic]

1. That was never mentioned in the show.

2. DSC contradicts that.

1. It nevertheless informed the writing.

2. Not sure how. Discovery may be more advanced, but certainly not in public and probably not in most ways. It and other ships may be more voluminous, but the point remains that an Enterprise must remain “the best” overall.

 

[Yistaan]

And as I mentioned before, the episodes state that people are in awe of the class, but not actually giving concrete reasons why. The reasons everyone here have given are fan speculation. Now if there is dialogue in the show that backs those fan assertions up, please feel free post them. But things like "there's only 12 like her in the fleet" is not a concrete reason why the class is so revered. Kirk was simply giving Christopher a factual statement about the number of ships in the class, not that the class was in any way special.

Is it being so revered, outside of Burnham and Tilly's dialogue, even a very big thing? The class itself was not even named until TNG or DS9.

For all we know, Burnham and Tilly's dialogue is an outlier from biased characters, and by the time of TOS the Constitution class was no big deal.

 

[Dukhat]

1. It nevertheless informed the writing.

2. Not sure how. Discovery may be more advanced, but certainly not in public and probably not in most ways. It and other ships may be more voluminous, but the point remains that an Enterprise must remain “the best” overall.

1. But the original TOS writer's bible has nothing to do with the production of DSC.

2. "It is the largest and most modern type vessel in the Starfleet Service" is the only relevant statement confirming some kind of specialty that other ships do not have. Yet there are several Starfleet vessels that are both larger and more advanced than the Constitution class in DSC, ten years before TOS. And they're all public knowledge.

 

[ozzfloyd]

And...so what?

 

[Boris Skrbic]

Yet there are several Starfleet vessels that are both larger and more advanced than the Constitution class in DSC, ten years before TOS. And they're all public knowledge.

Which ones?

 

[Yistaan]

Which ones?

USS Kelvin for starters is larger.

 

[Tuskin38]

From the writers’ bible: “The U.S.S. Enterprise is a spaceship, official designation ‘starship class’; somewhat larger than a present-day naval cruiser, it is the largest and most modern type vessel in the Starfleet Service.”

Not mentioned on screen, so not canon, and not relevant to this conversation.

And as I mentioned before, the episodes state that people are in awe of the class, but not actually giving concrete reasons why. The reasons everyone here have given are fan speculation. Now if there is dialogue in the show that backs those fan assertions up, please feel free post them. But things like "there's only 12 like her in the fleet" is not a concrete reason why the class is so revered. Kirk was simply giving Christopher a factual statement about the number of ships in the class, not that the class was in any way special.

The fact they're in awe of the ship is reason enough. Not everything needs to be explained to the viewer.

 

[Boris Skrbic]

USS Kelvin for starters is larger.

But only because all Abramsverse ships are larger, and it wasn’t supposed to be more advanced.

 

[Yistaan]

Even if a bunch of Disco ships are larger and more advanced, why would this be surprising? The Con class is already over a decade old by Disco.

We only have Burnham and Tilly's word that the Con is the greatest thing ever. They might not even be objective when saying this.

Nhan liked Discovery so much Pike joked and told her "don't covet your neighbor's starship"

 

[Dukhat]

Which ones?

Almost all the DSC Starfleet vessels are larger than the TOS Enterprise. As for the DSC Enterprise, the Crossfield, Shepard, and Cardenas classes are all larger.

The fact they're in awe of the ship is reason enough.

I'm not arguing that. I'm arguing about just what makes the ship so special.

But only because all Abramsverse ships are larger, and it wasn’t supposed to be more advanced.

Technically, if DSC takes place in the prime timeline ten years before TOS, then ships like the Kelvin would exist, because the timeline split happened after the Kelvin was already in service.

 

[Jadeb]

It does seem odd for characters to ooh and ahh over a plain ol' space ship when they're on one that can magically teleport anywhere. But maybe it's like appreciating the Titanic.

That said, it's another example of fannish writing -- writers who are die-hard Trekkies or catering to them. It's the Enterprise, so of course she must be exalted, even though the same writers are happy to disable her completely for no reason other than their own convenience.

 

[Yistaan]

It does seem odd for characters to ooh and ahh over a plain ol' space ship when they're on one that can magically teleport anywhere.

Well im sure everyone wants that holodeck rec room seen in tas.

 

[BillJ]

For all we know, Burnham and Tilly's dialogue is an outlier from biased characters, and by the time of TOS the Constitution class was no big deal.

"He commands not just a spaceship, Proconsul, but a starship. A very special vessel and crew. I tried for such a command." - R.M. Merrick, "Bread and Circuses"

 

[fireproof78]

That said, it's another example of fannish writing -- writers who are die-hard Trekkies or catering to them. It's the Enterprise, so of course she must be exalted, even though the same writers are happy to disable her completely for no reason other than their own convenience.

The Enterprise was built up in TOS too, despite all the difficulties she encountered.

 

[BillJ]

The Constitution class was probably Starfleet's main "do it all", self-sufficient platform. Which, while being older than some others, made it a special command with more freedom than other platforms.

 

[Gonzo]

The Constitution class was probably Starfleet's main "do it all", self-sufficient platform. Which, while being older than some others, made it a special command with more freedom than other platforms.

Yeah and only Captained by those who are on the fast track for the Admiralty, 5 year missions are good for the career it seems.

The Discovery is a great ship but it is more of a technology testing/training platform than anything else, crewed with mostly scientists, engineers and cadets.

Its not meant for front line work or true exploration due to how secret the spore drive is.

Whereas the Constitution class ships are front line heavy cruisers designed for long periods away from known space, it has the engines, warp core and offense/defense systems all designed around that purpose on a platform that is big enough to hold the crew and supplies it needs for a 5 year mission.

All the technology on-board needs to be tried, tested and certified or it isnt installed in the first place.

With that being said I still think they should have repaired the Vengeance, painted it white and called it the Enterprise A, first of the Federation Battleships/Explorers to really emphasise the departure from the PU.

A platform of that size would provide so many options technology wise, the automation would help as well added to the much improved engines as we saw in the film,

Truth is having a bigger ship does give you more options, personally I have always thought the D'Deridex Warbirds were excellent ships big enough to serve as a multi role platform although the increased size did hurt their top speed, the increased size and especially volume meant the Enterprise D was a step in the right direction but it didnt last.

Bottom line for me is that the 600+m Kelvin Enterprise is much more believable as a Deep Space Explorer going on 5 year missions than a 300m could ever be.

 

[Boris Skrbic]

What if a starship isn’t simply an interstellar vessel, but more like a star ship? The Constitution class would be the latest and greatest star class, and then you’d have a range of supporting classes.