Should’ve went with Version A with Version B’s nacelle pylons.
USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?
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Should’ve went with Version A with Version B’s nacelle pylons.
Yes. We have a concept sheet from the eaglemoss booklet showing the different revisions of the Connie design before getting to that one.
That was the design the art director liked the most, but it wasn’t the first one Eaves did.
I can’t find the full page ATM, it is buried somewhere in this thread, but here is part of it via TrekMovie
https://trekmovie.com/2019/03/24/how-the-uss-enterprise-was-redesigned-for-star-trek-discovery/
Thanks for the info. They should have stuck with version A in its entirety (if they felt they had to absolutely change the Jefferies design, I mean. They still could have updated the MJ design without actually changing the proportions and size; they just chose not to.)
Source?
Common sense. They couldn’t sell licenses for the Discovery Enterprise if it was exactly the same ship they had already licensed in other forms. Why would someone like Eaglemoss pay for a new license for a ship they already held the license to produce?
same reason George Lucas who has a ridiculously slanted deal for toy licensing decides his universe needs A and B wings to compliment X's and Y's when he does his next film
The obvious reason is more commonsense: the Constitution class was a great career track for Tilly, so it couldn’t very well look smaller and clunkier than the old Shenzhou. Also, TOS-R had established a style for the fleet which was ignored by DSC from the start, so it was always likely that the Enterprise would look different (and that it wouldn’t be seen per Fuller), unless its story were that of an ancient but reliable workhorse sent on low-priority, risky missions of exploration.
same reason George Lucas who has a ridiculously slanted deal for toy licensing decides his universe needs A and B wings to compliment X's and Y's when he does his next film
Star Wars can never, ever have too many designs if it hopes to maintain the illusion of a galactic society.
that's inference, but not WHY.
Enterprise already is possibly 7 years old, if not older by the events of Season 2 DSC. It's on at least it's second captain. Prime timeline has shown multiple schools of design in starfleet, and those dont seem to coalesce until the Movie Era when quite possibly most of the fleet needs rebuilding anyway.
Constitution, Daedalus, Einstein, Ptolemy, Hermes, Saladin and Cyrano Jones's scout ship (just using classes we've seen in some form or another on screen) all seem to come from one design school while most of the ships seen in Discovery very much seem to derive from another.
But its very clear that Constitutions class ships, even if they're not the biggest are extremely capable heavy hitters that command a bit of respect and even awe from other crews.
The problem with that idea, based on what we've actually seen, is why anyone would feel this way about the Constitution class. Both the Shenzhou and the Discovery seem to be far more awe-inspiring ships than the Enterprise was.
What do you mean by “inference”, @XCV330? It’s fairly clear that the prequels’ variety of designs helped sell the galactic society better than the fewer (but still diverse) designs in the OT. The rebels were always supposed to be a rag-tag band of fighters made up of local militias from a large number of star systems. If you can construct an epic story that happens to work with merchandising, it’s a win-win for everyone.
shenzou was designed for atmospheric entry. That's cool and it no doubt has its uses. But they don't appear to be used in long five-year missions.
Crossfields appear to be mobile laboratories, or at best carriers that have been pressed into that role at least twice. Lorca had to train his crew how to use Discovery as a weapon and even with his background, element of surprise and hit-and-run style tactics, it wasn't always successful, as in the loss of the Gagarin.
Connies seem to do it all and do it all quite well. If TOS Connies DID have saucer separation, that was just one more extra point for them.
They explore strange, new worlds; they seek out new life and new civilizations; they boldly go where no one has gone before.
And the other umpteen classes of Starfleet ships don’t?
Their missions are probably much more specialized, not just “go out there and be the Federation”.
possibly not.
Ptolemy's haul stuff. Some exploration craft might spend years studying a single planet or moon. Some might be in reserve for disaster relief, or hauling diplomats. Some, like Saladin, are intermediate range warships in all but name.
Connies are designed more as generalist ships capable of maintaining themselves in the frontier for extremely long periods of time.
From a modern spacecraft comparison. Shenzhou, Soyuz, Dragon and Starliner all are the crossfields, shenzous, grissoms, and Hermes of their time. Orion is the Connie.
Supposedly, the CONSTITUTION's were specifically designed to go on very long term assignments that would require them to be out-of-touch during much of those periods, with their home base.
(unfortunately, that is not what TOS actually showed most of the time)
One could assume that all the other classes of ships seen in the Discovery Time Period, were mostly designed to function within a specific range and requiring more frequent stops at starbases to resupply.
I'd love to see a Trek episode that takes place specifically in the time period when the first Connie's came into fruition.
Perhaps something that could be shown in a PIKE series.
(unfortunately, that is not what TOS actually showed most of the time)
One could assume that all the other classes of ships seen in the Discovery Time Period, were mostly designed to function within a specific range and requiring more frequent stops at starbases to resupply.
I'd love to see a Trek episode that takes place specifically in the time period when the first Connie's came into fruition.
Perhaps something that could be shown in a PIKE series.
My point is that the show has never given a good explanation as to why the Connies are held in such regard when other ship classes aren't, especially ship classes that are much newer and more advanced than they are. All these reasons that have been posted are just fan speculation.
TOS gave us several instances where the Constitutions were held in high praise by characters in the show.
Since that was during the period AFTER DISCOVERY it's not far-fetched to extrapolate that the ships were still Top-of-the-Line during Kirk's command.
Just because 2019 VFX look so much more spectacular, doesn't negate what has actually been established by the TOS stories themselves.
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