USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?

[Yistaan]

I would love to see renders of the 3D bridge modelled on the inside of the external model. But I doubt they'll ever release images of that.

Couldn't a fan do it themselves, by replacing the Disco-style Enterprise bridge onto the famous 'Cage' bridge cutaway?

 

[Gonzo]

They'll stop Control in the present after Discovery escapes.

The problem will be the same, if they stop Control in the present (the how does not really matter) it will not exist in the future to send back that probe that attacks Pikes shuttle which is what triggers all of this along with the anomalies.

Like I said its a loop, defeating Control in the future is no good as its already won, the only option is to do it in the present but in doing so all of its future actions will never have happened thus triggering the reset.

The only way around that is for Burnham to take those actions in the future that Control would have done before it was denied the data and defeated, like send the probe back to attack the shuttle and compromise Airiam, Burnham would have to knowingly sacrifice her friend and kill all the personnel of S31 plus the Admirals.

Then again even that would not be enough because Burnhams mother would also have to agree to play her part such as using the suit and coming back in time to tell everyone that all organic life has been ended when in actual fact it hasnt.

Could Burnhams mother be lying to ensure there is no reset, it would require Burnham to send that probe and sacrifice a lot of lives if so.

Hence why it would just be simpler and cleaner for Burnham to take advantage of the suit, go back to before her mother approaches Leland about the time suit and undo all of it, she could also tell Leland that there is no need to worry about the Klingons as the time crystals are in safe hands and always were.

Burnham would grow up with her parents, Spock would never have a sister and the Klingon War would never have happened at all.

 

[Yistaan]

The problem will be the same, if they stop Control in the present (the how does not really matter) it will not exist in the future to send back that probe that attacks Pikes shuttle which is what triggers all of this along with the anomalies.

Like I said its a loop, defeating Control in the future is no good as its already won, the only option is to do it in the present but in doing so all of its future actions will never have happened thus triggering the reset.

The only way around that is for Burnham to take those actions in the future that Control would have done before it was denied the data and defeated, like send the probe back to attack the shuttle and compromise Airiam, Burnham would have to knowingly sacrifice her friend and kill all the personnel of S31 plus the Admirals.

Then again even that would not be enough because Burnhams mother would also have to agree to play her part such as using the suit and coming back in time to tell everyone that all organic life has been ended when in actual fact it hasnt.

Could Burnhams mother be lying to ensure there is no reset, it would require Burnham to send that probe and sacrifice a lot of lives if so.

Hence why it would just be simpler and cleaner for Burnham to take advantage of the suit, go back to before her mother approaches Leland about the time suit and undo all of it, she could also tell Leland that there is no need to worry about the Klingons as the time crystals are in safe hands and always were.

Burnham would grow up with her parents, Spock would never have a sister and the Klingon War would never have happened at all.

We'll find out in a few hours, but it may be the "shock" that actors claim to have had on reading the finale script might be that all of TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, and the movies was actually Control behind the scenes all along. Burnham's mother's future isn't just some alternate future, but the same Prime universe TNG timeline we know so well, just Control behind the scenes all along until it strikes sometime after Nemesis.

 

[Tuskin38]

The problem will be the same, if they stop Control in the present (the how does not really matter) it will not exist in the future to send back that probe that attacks Pikes shuttle which is what triggers all of this along with the anomalies.

Like I said its a loop, defeating Control in the future is no good as its already won, the only option is to do it in the present but in doing so all of its future actions will never have happened thus triggering the reset.

The only way around that is for Burnham to take those actions in the future that Control would have done before it was denied the data and defeated, like send the probe back to attack the shuttle and compromise Airiam, Burnham would have to knowingly sacrifice her friend and kill all the personnel of S31 plus the Admirals.

Then again even that would not be enough because Burnhams mother would also have to agree to play her part such as using the suit and coming back in time to tell everyone that all organic life has been ended when in actual fact it hasnt.

Could Burnhams mother be lying to ensure there is no reset, it would require Burnham to send that probe and sacrifice a lot of lives if so.

Hence why it would just be simpler and cleaner for Burnham to take advantage of the suit, go back to before her mother approaches Leland about the time suit and undo all of it, she could also tell Leland that there is no need to worry about the Klingons as the time crystals are in safe hands and always were.

Burnham would grow up with her parents, Spock would never have a sister and the Klingon War would never have happened at all.

That probe would have just have come from a future that ceases to exist.
Just like alternate Tasha Yar on the Ent-C in 'Yesterday's Enterprise'. Her future was erased, but she still existed.

 

[Gonzo]

We'll find out in a few hours, but it may be the "shock" that actors claim to have had on reading the finale script might be that all of TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, and the movies was actually Control behind the scenes all along. Burnham's mother's future isn't just some alternate future, but the same Prime universe TNG timeline we know so well, just Control behind the scenes all along until it strikes sometime after Nemesis.

Like I have said before all that I have said takes place in the prime universe, no need for alternate anything here its simply a matter of cause and effect.

Change one aspect and that will have a knock on effect which would include actions taken in the past as well.

 

[Tuskin38]

They're not going to wipe out the last 2 years of stories and character development.

 

[Alan Roi]

That probe would have just have come from a future that ceases to exist.
Just like alternate Tasha Yar on the Ent-C in 'Yesterday's Enterprise'. Her future was erased, but she still existed.

In fact, if you by the City on the Edge of Forever mechanics, the future that the probe came from already doesn't exist, as by having it show up when it does, spurs the Federation to change tactics with AI and prevent the future it did come from. I still posit that it will be RA Burnham's job to let Airiam die, for example (as well St. Connelly et al) just like it was Kirk's job to let Edith Keeler die.

The shuttle/probe incident could be the one event that actually fixes the future.

 

[Gonzo]

That probe would have just have come from a future that ceases to exist.
Just like alternate Tasha Yar on the Ent-C in 'Yesterday's Enterprise'. Her future was erased, but she still existed.

Thats just an example of predestination, she wasnt erased or killed at the battle of Narendra III she was taken by the Romulans and presumed dead, giving birth to Sela in captivity.

She wasnt an alternate at all she was always prime, the timeline itself was changed.

The issue in Discovery is far more complex due to future Controls actions in the present/very recent past with the probe attack on the shuttle, it would be a much simpler situation if that one event had not occurred.

 

[Tuskin38]

Thats just an example of predestination, she wasnt erased or killed at the battle of Narendra III she was taken by the Romulans and presumed dead, giving birth to Sela in captivity.

She wasnt an alternate at all she was always prime, the timeline itself was changed.

The issue in Discovery is far more complex due to future Controls actions in the present/very recent past with the probe attack on the shuttle, it would be a much simpler situation if that one event had not occurred.

And if the timeline isn't reset tonight? Will you be upset?

 

[Gonzo]

And if the timeline isn't reset tonight? Will you be upset?

Nope not even slightly, I am very interested in seeing how it all plays out and at this point its possible we will get a can kick into next season.

You assumed understandably that my posts are an attempt to force an agenda on the show which is futile as its already been decided, my purpose was to show that throwing out the possibility just because you dont want it to happen is also equally futile.

I am not like most of the posters on this forum, I have always been a fan of Star Trek but it is not the be all end all to me like it is for most of you which means I am able to keep an open mind on the matter, hence why I dont involve myself in discussions about the colour of the bridge lights or the types of chairs used.

You all care greatly for it, that goes for both those who like/love Discovery and those who take the time out of their day to post their issues with the show yet are vilified for it.

I come in peace but I have been known to shoot to kill on occasion.

 

[BillJ]

And if the timeline isn't reset tonight? Will you be upset?

I know that you didn't point this question at me, but here's my answer: I'll actually be a bit peeved if they reset the timeline. The show is finally in a state that I can mostly tolerate, besides I believe it is a disservice to the people who have stood up for this trainwreck from the beginning.

Besides, reset or not... I'll continue to treat it as its own timeline.

 

[Tuskin38]

I don't want them undoing the entire two seasons. I wouldn't mind if it undid maybe the last couple episodes because reasons, but not the whole series.

 

[Gonzo]

I know that you didn't point this question at me, but here's my answer: I'll actually be a bit peeved if they reset the timeline. The show is finally in a state that I can mostly tolerate, besides I believe it is a disservice to the people who have stood up for this trainwreck from the beginning.

Besides, reset or not... I'll continue to treat it as its own timeline.

It would upset some people and I can appreciate that but removing Control completely from the present would also remove it and its actions from the future, its possible that instead we will either get a can kick into next season or a halfway house that keeps Control in existence but that would then open another can of worms.

Wont be long before we find out.

 

[BillJ]

Wild guess on the show tonight... Timeline is reset, one of the last scenes has Lorca and the Buran at the Binary Stars. He knows about the Vulcan Hello, kicks the shit out of the Klingons (against the advice of his first officer, Michael Burnham), averting war.

 

[ITDUDE]

Wild guess on the show tonight... Timeline is reset, one of the last scenes has Lorca and the Buran at the Binary Stars. He knows about the Vulcan Hello, kicks the shit out of the Klingons (against the advice of his first officer, Michael Burnham), averting war.

I dunno. I think she will erase herself completely from timeline. I like the Lorca scene without her present. We shall see...

 

[Gonzo]

I dunno. I think she will erase herself completely from timeline. I like the Lorca scene without her present. We shall see...

Our version of Burnham would not disappear until she takes off the suit, she would be tethered to the future in any case so she may be able to continue there without it, as the past would have its own Burnham anyway.

Its hard to be sure about that.

Its possible though and the show is called Discovery, not Burnham but I would be very surprised if they went that far.

 

[Tuskin38]

I noticed that in future combat scenes Burnham and Reno see, the bridge dome window is opaque, like described in the Eaglemoss book

I think she will erase herself completely from timeline.

They're not going to get rid of their main/central character. That doesn't make any sense.

 

[BillJ]

If nothing else, the timeline will shift just enough that they can sell us a version of the NCC-1701 next year with straight nacelle pylons.

 

[BillJ]

They're not going to get rid of their main/central character. That doesn't make any sense.

She could still exist, but not have ever been part of the actual timeline.

 

[Tuskin38]

Ah I think I misunderstood their post.