USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?

[Tuskin38]

Not quite what I'm talking about. I have no issue with them doing a reimagined 23rd century, complete with truly alien Klingons, Spock having a sister, the Federation fighting and nearly losing a war with the Klingon Empire, cloaking devices coming a decade early and a Spore Drive that essentially is a shortcut to the entire universe.

I do have an issue with them trying to cram those elements into the TOS timeline/story. It is time for Star Trek to move forward, losing the baggage of the past.

It's not that hard do, so I don't see why they shouldn't.

 

[Longinus]

The only real problem with the era in which the show is set is that everything's always about some UNIVERSAL THREAT TO EVERYTHING.

Which of course hangs them up in terms of how the UNIVERSAL THREAT relates to a fictional continuity we already know the contours and the outcomes of.

Back when these shows were about what happened to a few people out on the frontier, that wasn't such a problem. There might have been dozens of ships doing the same thing Kirk's was, and there's no reason we would have heard of them unless they crossed paths with Kirk's ship (and of course that happened from time to time).

Yep. I am really tired to giant existential threat plots. Many of the early episodes on this season were more self contained small scale adventures and I really enjoyed those.

 

[Gonzo]

The only real problem with the era in which the show is set is that everything's always about some UNIVERSAL THREAT TO EVERYTHING.

Which of course hangs them up in terms of how the UNIVERSAL THREAT relates to a fictional continuity we already know the contours and the outcomes of.

Back when these shows were about what happened to a few people out on the frontier, that wasn't such a problem. There might have been dozens of ships doing the same thing Kirk's was, and there's no reason we would have heard of them unless they crossed paths with Kirk's ship (and of course that happened from time to time).

I'm shocked that 24th century Federation cities aren't crowded with thousand-foot statues of Michael Burnham.

Hence why I wont be surprised if we get a reset, there are consequences when you remove a player from the future that has already changed things in the past.

As I have said a few times before it will not surprise me in the slightest if Burnham ends up using the suit to go back and undo the Klingon war, any changes she makes to the timeline will not affect this version of her as she is immune due to the suit.

She could even go back and warn her own mother not to work on the suit in the first place thus avoiding her parents death when the Klingons come after them for revenge, Leland himself said that it took a lot of convincing before he agreed to it so all Burnhams Mother needs to do is drop the issue.

Burnhams parents never die
Spock never gains a sister
Klingon War never happens
PU Lorca never dies
Culber never gets killed
Pike never has forewarning about his fate

We dont have long to wait to find out how the season wraps up.

I wont get to watch it until tomorrow at the earliest though.

 

[Tuskin38]

Hence why I wont be surprised if we get a reset, there are consequences when you remove a player from the future that has already changed things in the past.

As I have said a few times before it will not surprise me in the slightest if Burnham ends up using the suit to go back and undo the Klingon war, any changes she makes to the timeline will not affect this version of her as she is immune due to the suit.

She could even go back and warn her own mother not to work on the suit in the first place thus avoiding her parents death when the Klingons come after them for revenge, Leland himself said that it took a lot of convincing before he agreed to it so all Burnhams Mother needs to do is drop the issue.

Burnhams parents never die
Spock never gains a sister
Klingon War never happens
PU Lorca never dies
Culber never gets killed
Pike never has forewarning about his fate

We dont have long to wait to find out how the season wraps up.

I wont get to watch it until tomorrow at the earliest though.

Except, if Burnham is the one causing red signals (which is what the evidence points towards), they already happened, that means the changes she does to the timeline have already happened.


Anyways, last episode I noticed a lot of shots, the entire bridge window is lit up pure white in a lot of shots, and most of the saucer windows are dark.

 

[Alan Roi]

Nothing says state-of-the-art-21st-century like combining the elements of a 50+ year old design with the elements of a 40+ year old design.

Mixing past elements with present tech is kind of a 21st century thing.

 

[BillJ]

Mixing past elements with present tech is kind of a 21st century thing.

There is no "present tech" there. The exterior is an amalgam of a fifty and forty year old elements.

 

[Tuskin38]

I wonder what these doors/hatches are on the sides of the saucer

 

[Gonzo]

Except, if Burnham is the one causing red signals (which is what the evidence points towards), they already happened, that means the changes she does to the timeline have already happened.

If what you say is true then they cant defeat Control and all organic life is doomed because its already happened as confirmed by Burnhams mother.

That is what I mean by a reset, its not a case of pick and chose, its all or nothing.

Just because an event has occurred doesnt mean it cant be undone or reversed, that is why time travel is so dangerous, any change to Control in the future (denying it the data) will also affect any event or action it has carried out in the past.

Control can not be allowed to exist period if it does the potential for all life to be extinguished will always be there as it can hide itself away and threaten again in the future.

 

[Mudd]

There is no "present tech" there. The exterior is an amalgam of a fifty and forty year old elements.

Exactly so.

One of the complaints I've seen here about the STDPrise - not mine, BTW, as I like this detail - is the old copper radar dish on the front.

There's not a thing on the exterior of the ship or in its contours that suggests current design trends, much less a current or futuristic updating of the ship itself.

Adding blue glowies to everything doesn't make it look modern; it just makes it look like most other Trek vessels going back over thirty years now.

So, that excuse doesn't cut it.

 

[Mudd]

I wonder what these doors/hatches are on the sides of the saucer

Possibly doors or hatches.

 

[BillJ]

Adding blue glowies to everything doesn't make it look modern; it just makes it look like most other Trek vessels going back over thirty years now.

Forty. As the interior refit nacelles glowed blue in TMP.

 

[Tuskin38]

If what you say is true then they cant defeat Control and all organic life is doomed because its already happened as confirmed by Burnhams mother.

That is what I mean by a reset, its not a case of pick and chose, its all or nothing.

Just because an event has occurred doesnt mean it cant be undone or reversed, that is why time travel is so dangerous, any change to Control in the future (denying it the data) will also affect any event or action it has carried out in the past.

Control can not be allowed to exist period if it does the potential for all life to be extinguished will always be there as it can hide itself away and threaten again in the future.

They'll stop Control in the present after Discovery escapes.

Forty. As the interior refit nacelles glowed blue in TMP.

Or Purple depending on what version you're watching.

 

[BillJ]

Or Purple depending on what version you're watching.

My point was that the blue glow wasn't a recent development. It goes all the way back to TMP (forty years).

 

[BillJ]

I noticed that the view from the bridge doesn't show the walls inside of the dome. Considering how deep set the actual bridge window is, you should be able to.

Cameras are likely outside the bridge dome.

 

[Mudd]

Forty. As the interior refit nacelles glowed blue in TMP.

Yeah, I thought about that but I considered that version of the effect too subdued to quite make my point. It is an old-timey design element now, though, no matter how you look at it.

 

[BillJ]

Yeah, I thought about that but I considered that version of the effect too subdued to quite make my point. It is an old-timey design element now, though, no matter how you look at it.

I wonder how many folks know the nacelle caps on the refit were inspired by the grilles of 1940's pickup trucks?

Modern!

 

[Tuskin38]

Yeah, I thought about that but I considered that version of the effect too subdued to quite make my point. It is an old-timey design element now, though, no matter how you look at it.

It makes it look like they're looking out of the forward bridge window, instead of the inner one. They shouldn't be able to see the registry from where the real window is.

Might be for artistic reasons, but the shots through the Discovery window are accurate to where the window actually is on its model.

I guess it's possible it's a full screen video feed.

 

[BillJ]

Might be for artistic reasons, but the shots through the Discovery window are accurate to where the window actually is on its model.

They fudged it because no one wants to look at another room through the viewscreen.

 

[Yistaan]

We need a scene where Krook the Klingon spy in a spacesuit waves into the bridge from outside the viewscreen window outside on the hull and reveals he's been watching and recording all Enterprise bridge activity (on a direct stream to Qo'nos) for over a decade.

Starfleet freaks out and immediately removes all viewscreen windows on ships and replaces them with non-window viewscreens.

 

[Tuskin38]

I would love to see renders of the 3D bridge modelled on the inside of the external model. But I doubt they'll ever release images of that.