Can we please stop discussing what we think about the manner which the other posters said what they did and instead return to discussing the Enterprise(s)?
USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?
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I think Eaves did good job given the design parameters he had. I however still wish that they had actually followed his design instead of the FX team making additional changes.
Yeah it looks so much better with the straight pylons. Though it could do without the dual deflector antennae he had on it.
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I'm kinda hoping the CONTROL Armada really does manage to kick the crap out of the Enterprise and she has to go back into drydock for upgrades that bring her even closer (not exactly) to the TOS version.
(gees, that's like hoping that your girlfriend gets mugged so she can get plastic surgery)
The Discovery version has grown on me in its own right. But it looks more like an intermediary between the TOS and Movie versions. Not the original 1701. Of course, it is a YMMV kind of thing.
I do find myself liking the hallways running behind the bridge control panels.
I do find myself liking the hallways running behind the bridge control panels.
Every season, the 1701 should be refit closer to WNMHGB
A Memory Alpha Contributor has summarized a lot of the design info from the Eaglemoss Book and other sources and put it in the Constitution Class article, it's under 'Physical Arrangement' section. It might be moved into a separate article on the DSC model though.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Constitution_class#Physical_arrangement
A good read for those who don't have the book(s).
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Constitution_class#Physical_arrangement
A good read for those who don't have the book(s).
i disagree with this notion that the discovery-verse should be evolving toward the TOS aesthetic until they sync. but i do agree that these ships and designs could easily be incrementally changed over the seasons. i keep looking at the MCU... every film has a new iron man suit, the characters' costumes are constantly updating, SHIELD tech keeps advancing. in the era of CGI and 3D printing, the production isn't stuck with its assets for years like these shows used to be. so i'm all for the ships and tech evolving over the years.
but if the end result is to bring it in line with TOS, that's missing the point of star trek's spirit.
Just wait until we get the exterior shots of the Enterprise Turbolift Funhouse!
Don't make me have to kill you.
I just want the straight pylons back and the duck-tail ass-end gone. (fattened?)
The rest is passable in my head-canon.
I also need those tacky saucer lights gone. Everything else I can live with.
that's tough. reminds me of what rick berman said about his reasoning for making enterprise a prequel, rather than going even further into the future. (paraphrasing) does warp drive get even faster? do the jumpsuits get tighter? what's the point?
to me, it doesn't matter if it's the 23rd century or the 25th century, it's all an opportunity to tell stories about a bright future for humanity. if discovery wants to sit in the TOS era and trade in that iconography, i'm here for it. what i don't need is the storytelling jujitsu to contort it into something that conforms to 50 years of continuity.
but that's an old argument.
The only real problem with the era in which the show is set is that everything's always about some UNIVERSAL THREAT TO EVERYTHING.
Which of course hangs them up in terms of how the UNIVERSAL THREAT relates to a fictional continuity we already know the contours and the outcomes of.
Back when these shows were about what happened to a few people out on the frontier, that wasn't such a problem. There might have been dozens of ships doing the same thing Kirk's was, and there's no reason we would have heard of them unless they crossed paths with Kirk's ship (and of course that happened from time to time).
I'm shocked that 24th century Federation cities aren't crowded with thousand-foot statues of Michael Burnham.
Which of course hangs them up in terms of how the UNIVERSAL THREAT relates to a fictional continuity we already know the contours and the outcomes of.
Back when these shows were about what happened to a few people out on the frontier, that wasn't such a problem. There might have been dozens of ships doing the same thing Kirk's was, and there's no reason we would have heard of them unless they crossed paths with Kirk's ship (and of course that happened from time to time).
I'm shocked that 24th century Federation cities aren't crowded with thousand-foot statues of Michael Burnham.
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Going forward in the future would give a change to deal with a a future where some calamity befell the galaxy. I know people have stated this idea would undermine the optimism of Star Trek but I don't think it would. "we're at our best when things are at their worst" etc. it could natural disaster or pan-galactic plague without being the fault of anyone.
I know he's not popular now, and I don't agree with everything he did or said, but I think it's a good chance to show the Toynbee idea of challenge and response. Cultures are exposed to threats to their continued existance and in some circumstances a small minority of that culture rises to provide ideas that provide a response that not only resolves the problem but allows the culture to flourish further.
Not quite what I'm talking about. I have no issue with them doing a reimagined 23rd century, complete with truly alien Klingons, Spock having a sister, the Federation fighting and nearly losing a war with the Klingon Empire, cloaking devices coming a decade early and a Spore Drive that essentially is a shortcut to the entire universe.
I do have an issue with them trying to cram those elements into the TOS timeline/story. It is time for Star Trek to move forward, losing the baggage of the past.
especially when when one of them was destroyed by a UNIVERSAL THREAT TO EVERYTHING and Kirk and the boys had to go in to fix what they catastrophically failed to.
Nothing says state-of-the-art-21st-century like combining the elements of a 50+ year old design with the elements of a 40+ year old design.
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