USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?
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I hope that’s a cutaway feature, but it doesn’t look like it. The secondary hull seems to extend as far forward as the prime Enterprise’s hull did. Maybe the deflector has previously unseen extension powers for increased deflecting abilities? Or maybe that’s where the proton torpedoes come out?
I know engineers* they love to change things.
*designers on a reboot of a beloved television show doodling on the Mona Lisa
Or maybe it's just happy to be there?
It is a cutaway feature. It’s mentioned on the products website
Plus you don’t see it in any of the in show image
Well the rest of the ship is all dolled up for a night on the tiles - maybe Enterprise really really likes the Discovery...Or maybe it's just happy to be there?
Ah thanks
Well, my point wasn't about how the Terran Empire upgraded the Defiant over a century. That's irrelevant. My point was that it originally looked like what we saw in TOS "The Tholian Web" and ENT "In a Mirror Darkly." So one cannot use the excuse that DSC is a 'visual reboot' (i.e. the new Enterprise design) while at the same time directly referencing an ENT episode where we clearly see a Constitution class ship looking like it does in TOS.
So you're saying that ten years before, the Enterprise looked like it did in "The Cage," then the next year it looked like it did in DSC, then by "Where No Man Has Gone Before," it went back to looking like it did in "The Cage" with minimal modifications?
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I suppose the argument against this point would be that DSC is set before “tholian web” so they could have refit the ship before TOS etc etc (I don’t believe in that argument btw - I think visuals are explicitly part of the lore of the show and you can’t reboot them without affecting the story meaning that the visual reboot idea is a nonsense as far as I’m concerned)
The most convincing argument I’ve read for the differences is that this version of the Enterprise is a “war variant” so she had modifications made to turn the previously purposed science and exploration ship into a warship. It’s daft but it’s the best in-universe explanation - otherwise we’re left with “we must blindly accept what the producers say because they own the IP and the audience is neither intelligent nor entitled enough to question their glorious vision”.
But the inherent problem with this argument is that the DSC ship is much larger than the TOS Connie. So the implication of the above (as I mentioned in my previous post) is that they decided to make the ship bigger, then shrink the ship when they refitted it to look like the TOS ship.
Unfortunately, I'm not seeing anything in the DSC Connie design that makes it any more or less of a 'warship' than the original design was. Perhaps if they added a third nacelle and a huge phaser cannon to the underside of the saucer...
Yeh I’ve tried making this argument before myself. The fact that the actual size of the Enterprise was never mentioned on screen (besides that graphic with the D7 on it) means that common sense takes a back seat to canon and the Enterprise can now be a mile long because nobody ever said it wasn’t. That’s where we’re at with Star Trek in 2018 apparently...
That would also mean the ship could get up to warp 13if they added a third nacelle and a huge phaser cannon to the underside of the saucer...
I'm just actively ignoring the new dimensions of the Enterprise in DSC and in my mind she's going to remain about 300 meters long. The "everything needs to be bigger because reasons" thing got tiresome enough last season but at least we weren't dealing with the TOS-era Enterprise until the last minute or so.
If CBS wants to say she's that much bigger, fine. I'm going to pretend otherwise. Trek starship dimensions are often about as consistent as Starfleet uniform designs so it won't be missing out on anything if I just pretend it's the same size.
If CBS wants to say she's that much bigger, fine. I'm going to pretend otherwise. Trek starship dimensions are often about as consistent as Starfleet uniform designs so it won't be missing out on anything if I just pretend it's the same size.
How dare you go against the Holy Writings of CBS!
I'll say 100 Hail Roddenberrys.
Can any of that even be asserted? We all need to get behind the “prime fallacy” for DSC to work. I want those 5 spinoffs set in the NCIS universe!I'm just actively ignoring the new dimensions of the Enterprise in DSC and in my mind she's going to remain about 300 meters long. The "everything needs to be bigger because reasons" thing got tiresome enough last season but at least we weren't dealing with the TOS-era Enterprise until the last minute or so.
If CBS wants to say she's that much bigger, fine. I'm going to pretend otherwise. Trek starship dimensions are often about as consistent as Starfleet uniform designs so it won't be missing out on anything if I just pretend it's the same size.
If this were an alternate timeline created by, say, the Temporal Cold War during ENT it would certainly allow me to ignore a lot of the visual and storytelling issues and enjoy the show more!
I wouldn't care if they made it the size of a Star Destroyer, if they were doing their own thing. My problem is this is a show whose creativity seems to supposedly being driven by the Prime timeline, except when it isn't.
It seems they really can't make up their mind on what they want to do, beyond parting out TOS for their story. If Pike ends up being a worthy addition to the show, I don't need them to figure out how to weave it back into continuity with the original Star Trek. Or put him in a wheelchair.
I guess what I'm saying is that I want them to tell the best science fiction stories they can. FUCK the Prime timeline.
Which visually they've more or less already done.
Then pretend that this is the case.
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