USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?

[Mad Jack Wolfe]

Also as I’ve argued previously - if the screen is advantageous (it isn’t, but let’s assume it is) then Spock is negligent or incompetent in his role as XO of the Enterprise in TWoK for not presenting it as an option to Kirk. And I prefer to keep Spock as a competent officer rather than a bumbling fool who forgot his ship used to have a windshield

 

[Groppler Zorn]

It wouldn't work in the mutara battle.

And why would he suggest it if the bridge doesn't have one?

I know I’ve already made that point above somewhere

Edit: but my point remains - if the DSC Enterprise does have a window and let’s not forget it’s the same ship as in TWoK - then Spock obviously forgot that it USED to have a window so was negligent or otherwise incompetent for not mentioning the benefits of a window (as argued by others). I’m not going to go too far into this as we resolved that you don’t care anyway haha!

 

[Groppler Zorn]

I feel these are rather extremes of the argument, but fair enough. I just don't see it fraught with the downsides that lawman and others have argued. It simply is another tool, and not necessarily one that is present on every starship. It's absolutely odd and baffling to me to assume that all starships have that or that things don't change. I was not aware all starships were identical...

They are because I don’t like things that are different

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Aztec the heck out of it and it would probably be fine. The Kelvin was basically this exact thing. Few gloweys and slightly jazzed fonts and markings. Job done.

I agree with this. Make the CGI mesh(?) match with the other DSC ships, add some greeblies but don't change as many of the details as they did and it would be fine.

That said, I do like the Phase II-ish design we saw and can accept it as a modern take on the TOS ship.

 

[DaveyNY]

What if the Original Series Enterprise DID have a Bridge Window/VIewscreen and Kirk just preferred to never use it as one?

If we're going to make grand assumptions about Spock's Intelligence in TWoK, then this would easily explain why he didn't suggest it.

 

[Tuskin38]

How is this thread still going? The answer has already been revealed.

Yeah, maybe we should have the title changed to just 'The USS Enterprise in Discovery'

 

[TrickyDickie]

Make the darn thing a screen, a window, and a mirror all rolled into one. That ought to stir the pot here into a rollicking frenzy.

 

[Tuskin38]

Have the bridge on the bottom of the ship, but have the ship fly upside down all the time so it looks correct.

 

[Vger23]

After reading multiple posts on the subject, and giving it a great amount of intellectual consideration I believe there is only one true answer to this conundrum. The question of window versus view screen is not one that should be taken lightly. There are advantages and disadvantages to having both, and certainly the consequences of committing to one or the other within the franchise weigh heavily on all of our minds for reasons of both canon continuity and technological realism.






Therefore, after much consideration and a considerable amount of reflection, I can only come to the conclusion that I do not care.

 

[jaime]

After reading multiple posts on the subject, and giving it a great amount of intellectual consideration I believe there is only one true answer to this conundrum. The question of window versus view screen is not one that should be taken lightly. There are advantages and disadvantages to having both, and certainly the consequences of committing to one or the other within the franchise weigh heavily on all of our minds for reasons of both canon continuity and technological realism.






Therefore, after much consideration and a considerable amount of reflection, I can only come to the conclusion that I do not care.

You were doing so well. But you failed your civil service exam in that last sentence.

 

[F. King Daniel]

It's almost as if Wrath of Khan/TOS exist in a different version of the continuity where the Enterprise looked different, never encountered a cloaking device prior to "Balance of Terror" and didn't have a window.

Who'd a thunk it?

 

[Tuskin38]

Nothing about the Klingon cloak contradicts Balance of Terror, as that cloak doesn't function the same as the Romulan one.

 

[Dukhat]

Nothing about the Klingon cloak contradicts Balance of Terror, as that cloak doesn't function the same as the Romulan one.

It makes said ship invisible. How does it not function the same?

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Have the bridge on the bottom of the ship, but have the ship fly upside down all the time so it looks correct.

I thought it was flying upside down all the time.

Seriously folks, wasn't one of the original Enterprise concepts basically an upside down version, or was that just the Reliant?

 

[Tuskin38]

It makes said ship invisible. How does it not function the same?

the Romulan version was visually perfect, the Klingon one was visually flawed.
You see it flicker several times in the first season.

 

[Tuskin38]

I thought it was flying upside down all the time.

Seriously folks, wasn't one of the original Enterprise concepts basically an upside down version, or was that just the Reliant?

It was also the Enterprise

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

No, it was also the Enterprise

See, for me, that image refused to show up.

 

[Dukhat]

the Romulan version was visually perfect, the Klingon one was visually flawed.
You see it flicker several times in the first season.

The point was to make the ship invisible. Whether it’s completely invisible or 75% invisible, that’s what the cloaking device does. So in Balance of Terror, Kirk and Spock should have remarked that the Romulans’ cloaking device made it 100% invisible and not 75% invisible like the Klingon sarcophagus ship. Yet I don’t recall them making that statement. I recall them being amazed that a ship can be invisible at all.

 

[Tuskin38]

See, for me, that image refused to show up.

I just grabbed it from Memory-Alpha.

The point was to make the ship invisible. Whether it’s completely invisible or 75% invisible, that’s what the cloaking device does. So in Balance of Terror, Kirk and Spock should have remarked that the Romulans’ cloaking device made it 100% invisible and not 75% invisible like the Klingon sarcophagus ship. Yet I don’t recall them making that statement. I recall them being amazed that a ship can be invisible at all.

semantics. There is still no evidence against it.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Nothing about the Klingon cloak contradicts Balance of Terror, as that cloak doesn't function the same as the Romulan one.

That cloaking devices existed is the contradiction. Until the Romulan ship in "Balance of Terror" cloaking devices were theoretical.