USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?
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Honestly, I really think we can chalk that up to somewhat crappy special effects.the shape around the light does match the dark patch on the bridge dome
I do think there was a window in the Season Finale.
Which could mean a few things:
they changed their minds
the darker area is hiding the window
or Eaglemoss and the Adversaries devs were not given models with the window
You start blowing pics up that big and it just magnifies the distortion.
Of course, maybe They will put a window there...
Guess we'll have to wait and see.
There is a glare, or reflection that travels along the top of the bigger light source, actually passes infront of it partially
Yeah, true, this is becoming a CSI episode
Let us just wait and see.
Honestly, I really think we can chalk that up to somewhat crappy special effects.
You start blowing pics up that big and it just magnifies the distortion.
Of course, maybe They will put a window there...
Guess we'll have to wait and see.
Yeah, true, this is becoming a CSI episode
Let us just wait and see.
If it's not a window I'll be a lot happier, but only time will tell. It'd be nice if the producers remember that other starships of this era don't have glorified windows with pop-ups on their bridges and went back to a rectangular viewscreen but if they do stick with another window I hope it's rectangular in shape and not the angled mess that is Discovery's.
Discovery makes use of 'special physics'.
I wouldn't mind both. Starships of the era could have some with windows and some with out.
I can live with that. Just give the Enterprise and other Connies viewscreens and do what you like with others in the series.
Brannon Braga said Enterprise was an altered timeline at a Q&A in 2003, when asked about "Regeneration"
When Manny Coto took over he perhaps had other ideas, since season 4 was nothing but direct TOS prequels. But I think one of the showrunners suggesting it as an out makes it fair game.
This is kinda my point - if you have to do all kinds of Star Trek stuff to the window to make it effective, there’s no point in it being a window - it might as well be a screen.
And if you’re an admiral in Star Trek and you’re not evil something’s gone wrong... maybe admirals wanted windows so they could crash the ships into Alcatraz and jump out like Khan...
I’ve thought that ever since I saw the nx-01! It makes sense considering the scene in FC
Which affects the plot of TWoK if there was. Since TWoK is everyone’s favourite and above critique, how are we ok with DSC fundamentally altering a character like Spock in TWoK? This is the problem with prequels I guess. You have to abide by the established continuity. Even the smallest change could affect future events - like how the enterprise having a window makes Spock a much less capable commander than he used to be.
I could also live with that. Once starfleet realised how useless windows were on ships like the franklin, shenzhou, Discovery, etc. and “made the odyssey out of darkness into the light” (the light being the use of viewscreens), all future ships had screens
And TWoK would be unaffected.
Since nobody has come up with a good reason why we’d want to make Spock a less competent officer yet
And, so what? First of all, "the death of the author" is a thing... if I'm interpreting a work of fiction, and I have to choose between what the author intended and something different that makes more sense, I'll choose "what makes sense" every time. Second, the intent of the writer(s) isn't necessarily knowable anyway; none of us are mind readers. Third, that intent doesn't necessarily even exist in any coherent form; for any given story (or portion thereof), it's entirely possible that the writers were simply glossing over tricky bits because they were working on deadline, or for that matter that they were just thoughtless and stupid. Fourth, even if a specific writer had a specific intent and spelled it out for us in detail, we're talking about a franchise with umpty-zillion different writers spread across decades, and they certainly haven't all thought with one mind, so conflicting intents are not only possible but inevitable. And last and frankly least (but others will surely point it out if I don't), writers' intent isn't canon.
Long story short, any given writer's intent may be persuasive evidence about how to interpret some detail of Trek (as with Braga's comments mentioned above), but it should never be treated as dispository.
Wasn’t it the writers intent to kill off Spock in TWoK and not bring him back?
I think the writers intent means squat when they wanna change something.
I’m fine with ENT being in a different universe since some of the producers (whose word is gospel as far as DSC is concerned remember) of ENT said that it was.
As I outlined above, for Spock not to advocate to Kirk that using a window was a viable option in TWoK makes Spock either negligent or incompetent.
Remember the DSC Enterprise is the same ship as in TOS. So why didn’t Spock remember the old days when the Enterprise had a window and how useful that window was?
Remember also that you’ve argued a window would be helpful in the mutara nebula situation...
So for Spock to stay quiet on this issue while Kirk peered at a static filled screen was, as I’ve said, either negligence or incompetence.
When you consider future events in Star Trek like this, the logic of “ignore the changes they don’t matter it’s only visuals” starts to run into problems.
To be fair, there’s subtly altered...which post F.C. it would have to be....and then there’s fully divergent timeline that doesn’t simply curve back into the prexisting timeline.
But really, so what? Who cares?
Well since it affects the continuity of the show and has an impact on TWoK, and since TWoK is everyone’s favourite film, I would suggest some trekkers may care.
Really the producers should care because if the DSC Enterprise has a window it affects the existing continuity of Star Trek and we can’t ignore it - meaning that you can’t just change the visuals and have everyone ignore them.
Taken to its extreme it could fundamentally affect the status of DSC as “prime”, as *if* the DSC Enterprise does indeed have a window, the only way for the show to be in the same universe as TWoK is to assert that the great Spock was either negligent or incompetent for not suggesting a window to Kirk in the mutara nebula (the most cited context for a window being useful).
No wonder Sela made fun of Spock on Romulus. Guy was clearly a moron.
P.s. we could get quantitative and actually tot up the number of posters just on here who have raised issues about the bridge window but I’m not volunteering
I could run a poll I suppose but it may encounter “board discussion fatigue” (as interesting as I would find the results...)
Brannon Braga wasn't just a writer and producer on Enterprise. He was also the co-creator of the show. If a staff writer's word is good, a co-creator's word should be something akin to gospel.
Nice image of Phase II from Eaglemoss....
You know what?
SInce they decided to have angled nacelle pylons on their iteration of the Enterprise anyway - They should have put THIS Enterprise on Discovery!
Would have blown SO many minds!
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