USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?

[Ar-Pharazon]

A Cardassian?

 

[cooleddie74]

Ah, the uniform caps from "The Cage." Say what you want, they were far from the worst thing we ever saw as clothing for a Starfleet officer.

 

[CaptainMurdock]

they were far from the worst thing we ever saw as clothing for a Starfleet officer.

Nothing tops the TMP onsie as worst Starfleet uniform. No wonder the Ilia probe said unit a lot.

 

[cooleddie74]

The Disco Belt Buckle tunics were groovy, baby. Like, two mountains of coke on a nightclub bathroom sink groovy.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

Ah, the uniform caps from "The Cage." Say what you want, they were far from the worst thing we ever saw as clothing for a Starfleet officer.

 

[CaptainMurdock]

 

[F. King Daniel]

Finally, some of the RPG books had some uniforms for TOS/Cage era that made a little more sense:

Plus this Klingon concept

Those aren't from an RPG book, they're from one of those unlicensed 1980's Treknical manuals. From the Files of Starfleet Command or Federation Reference Series probably. Fan made movie-era updates of the old Star Fleet Technical Manual.

 

[jaime]

I agree with you in general, though I wouldn't call this "internal consistency" since the only reason this happened is because they were drastically limited in what they could build by practical considerations. Compare, for example, the Type-7 and Type-6 shuttlecraft on the Enterprise and the fact that these two were supposed to have been carried by the same ship... they look NOTHING ALIKE and don't have anything in common except for the overall shape of their side windows. And yet we all know that the only reason the Type-6 even exists is because the set buildings completely fucked the execution of Probert's design concept and instead built a big clunky thing that looked like a minibus.

Indeed, most of the ships we see in the 24th century are actually just recycled 23rd century ships. It wasn't until Yesterday's Enterprise that we finally got a look at another truly modern starship, and it was ONCE AGAIN a poor imitation of a far more complex Andy Probert design.

Basically: it's not "coherence" you're describing, it's the forced consistency of trying to build a dozen starship classes using off-the-shelf parts from somebody else's designs. Discovery is probably the first Star Trek production in history to not actually have that problem, with all-original starship designs that are not themselves kitbashes or re-arrangements of other ships; even the Kelvinverse starships are ultimately just kitbashes of the Kelvin herself, thus we again have the illusion of "coherence" in what is actually just multiple copies of the same design slightly rearranged.


I couldn't have said it better. I get what he's trying to do, I just don't think it's a very original design. As I've said, alot of Eaves' work is extremely derivative, and that style doesn't always resonate when you're trying to design something totally new.


At least for the Klingon designs, I agree. Some of STO's Starfleet ships look positively godawful... although the Guardian Cruiser and the Odyssey Class are two of my favorite starship designs EVER.

The early designs are awful...the newer ones....not so much. Guardian took time to grow on me (I have two) and the stanchion nacelles are...daft. But even they grow on you when you fancy a change.

In terms of the kitbash aspect of earlier Starfleet ships, that’s not really true most of the time (when not upcycling movie era stuff) and in Voyager particularly you can see the Sternbach lineage.

 

[Belz...]

Brutish, ugly, and laughably overwrought in both appearance and function. Sure. Let's have six.

But that's why I love it. It's so ridiculously overpowered and over-designed, like if the Federation tried making Star Destroyers, or the Galactic Empire made the Enterprise.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

In the 23rd century, people aren't ashamed of the human body anymore.

 

[jaime]

In the 23rd century, people aren't ashamed of the human body anymore.

It’s that publicity etching with a couple of hippies we sent out on Voyager.

 

[fireproof78]

In the 23rd century, people aren't ashamed of the human body anymore.

There is body shame and there is practicality.

Not that Starfleet ever functioned on practicality.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

That would make a great Starfleet Marine uniform.

I admit, in my headcanon, the SFMC wears black, but yours also works.

Can you give us a black version of that uni?

 

[Longinus]

I always liked the basic look of the TMP uniforms and I think it was a shame they ditched them completely rather than improved them. The subdued cool colour scheme is nice.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

It’s that publicity etching with a couple of hippies we sent out on Voyager.

You might be thinking of the Pioneer plaque?

 

[fireproof78]

That would make a great Starfleet Marine uniform.

I admit, in my headcanon, the SFMC wears black, but yours also works.

Can you give us a black version of that uni?

With black badges, on a black op in a black forest at midnight?

Dang it, broke my black crayon.

 

[TrickyDickie]

I have long felt that by the 23rd century there would be 'smart clothing'....you could wear whatever you chose as far as amount, layers, style for personal expression, etc, and the clothing would make adjustments, based upon whatever environment you happened to be in, to keep you comfortable. Boots that would adjust their tread pattern for more grip when needed, and so on.

But I've also had the idea that there could be 'caretaker nanites' inside everyone's body that would maintain all systems at a constant optimum, very rapidly repair any damage, eliminate the absolute need for food and water, etc. Of course, that would make the future quite different, in many aspects, than what has been depicted in Trek.

Anyhow, 'smart clothing' would mean that nothing we have seen would necessarily be impractical.

Those power laces from Back to the Future were just the beginning.

 

[fireproof78]

I have long felt that by the 23rd century there would be 'smart clothing'....you could wear whatever you chose as far as amount, layers, style for personal expression, etc, and the clothing would make adjustments, based upon whatever environment you happened to be in, to keep you comfortable. Boots that would adjust their tread pattern for more grip when needed, and so on.

But I've also had the idea that there could be 'caretaker nanites' inside everyone's body that would maintain all systems at a constant optimum, very rapidly repair any damage, eliminate the absolute need for food and water, etc. Of course, that would make the future quite different, in many aspects, than what has been depicted in Trek.

Anyhow, 'smart clothing' would mean that nothing we have seen would necessarily be impractical.

Those power laces from Back to the Future were just the beginning.

Well, I like the idea in concept.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

But I've also had the idea that there could be 'caretaker nanites' inside everyone's body that would maintain all systems at a constant optimum, very rapidly repair any damage, eliminate the absolute need for food and water, etc.

We've seen those before. They're called Borg.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

That would make a great Starfleet Marine uniform.

I admit, in my headcanon, the SFMC wears black, but yours also works.

Can you give us a black version of that uni?

Sure. Here are 4 with diff levels of the Red. Number 3 the braiding really needs redone.





For fun, this was my Marine dress Uniform. As IMO SF has had damned few that did not blow



Edited to add a 5th